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To: TimF who wrote (4854)	9/27/2001 3:51:03 PM
From: Elmer Flugum	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 23908

Or having the Islamic world creating more terror, directed at both the United States and Israel, until it bankrupts the American taxpayer or we drop the BIG one on the region. Tim, I think you should look at what exactly is going on on the ground there in the occupied territories. The Palestinians are broken up into small "reservations" cut off from each other where most of the water and other resources are syphoned off for the Westerners who have built large homes and want expansive lawns. The Palestinians can not get building permits for themselves. The Palestinians are more like animals in a game preserve, where if they step out of their boundaries, they are fair game for the occupiers and are shot. They must carry passes as did Apartheid blacks in South Africa and their cars have "special" license plates that indicate they are Palestinian and not Jewish. That would make that the equivalent to the Nazis requiring European Jews to wear a yellow Star of David so they can be identified as Jews. That is why I oftentimes call the Zionists, ZioNazis.

To: TimF who wrote (4854)	9/27/2001 3:56:42 PM
From: Tadsamillionaire	Respond to of 23908

Coalition looks more shaky as emotions cool By Patrick Bishop (Filed: 27/09/2001) KING Abdullah of Jordan left for Washington yesterday to become the first Arab leader to meet President Bush since the September 11 attacks. The visit will no doubt be presented as a symbol of Arab solidarity with America's anti-terrorism campaign. The reality is rather different. Jordan is the most enthusiastic member of the nascent Arab and Muslim coalition. But it is the least significant, a parched, resource-poor feudal domain surrounded by powerful and bullying neighbours. The countries that matter in the region have been more reticent in their support. Egypt, which owes America plenty, is wary. President Mubarak says there should be a thorough investigation before any military action. Saudi Arabia, on whose behalf Washington went to war a decade ago, is jibbing at being used as a launch pad for aerial attacks. As the generous human feelings prompted by the awfulness of what happened in New York and Washington cool, the prospect of building a meaningful anti-terrorism coalition in the Middle East is looking shakier. Coalitions are supposed to be temporary alliances for combined action. But action to do what? There is a basic problem of definition. Everyone in the Middle East has his own notion of what terrorism is. The word has been flung back and forth between the Israelis and the Arabs with such regularity that it is now so shapeless as to be unrecognisable. To Israel, the fundamentalist gunmen of Hizbollah, Hamas and Islamic Jihad are the quintessence of terrorism and it is demanding that they be included on Washington's blacklist. To Lebanon and Syria, these men are freedom fighters and the terrorists are the Israeli soldiers who shoot dead stone-throwing boys and respond to rifle fire with tank rounds, regardless of the consequences for civilians. Despite - or perhaps, because of - the extreme fuzziness of the project and the mind-bending problems inherent in maintaining the coalition after Osama bin Laden's demise, regional leaders appear to reckon that there is no harm in signing up. Washington will be disappointed if it expects them to take any vigorous action. Their short-term interests argue against it. Egypt, which should be a cornerstone of the coalition in the region, has its own problem with fundamentalists and Egyptians are well represented in bin Laden's ranks. Over-enthusiastic endorsement of Washington's plans will generate anger and violence. Saudi Arabia - another cornerstone - has particular reason to be nervous. Bin Laden is one of their own. He became an outlaw only after he called for the overthrow of the monarchy for allowing in the "infidel" American forces. It is a message that has some resonance, even in the upper reaches of Saudi society. Even little Jordan has something to fear. King Hussein stayed out of the Gulf war coalition in case anti-American and pro-Iraqi feeling at home could become strong enough to cost him his throne. His son has reversed that stand, calculating perhaps that popular amity with the Afghans is not so strong and that the rewards of membership of the anti-terrorist club could be high. With the exception of Saudi Arabia, America is unlikely to ask much from the region's rulers beyond co-operation on the financial and intelligence fronts, and to refrain from stirring things up. Even this meagre help will come with a price tag. All are agreed that the quid pro quo for even lukewarm support will be that Washington abandons its hands-off approach to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict and throws itself into forging a solution. Mr Bush has set himself a Herculean task in taking on terrorism. A second mighty problem is looming right behind it. news.telegraph.co.uk