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To: SirRealist who wrote (1607)	9/27/2001 10:45:27 PM
From: philab	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Thursday September 27 5:33 PM ET Iran Calls Berlusconi 'Ignorant' for Islam Remarks TEHRAN (Reuters) - Iran blasted Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi as ``ignorant'' Thursday for saying that Western civilization was superior to Islam. ``These remarks are the result of the Italian prime minister's ignorance about Islam's culture and civilization and its fundamental impact on Western civilization,'' said Foreign Minister Kamal Kharrazi, quoted by Iran's news agency IRNA. ``It is expected that the Italian prime minister will revise his viewpoint and correct his remarks,'' Kharrazi said, adding that the comments were ``irresponsible.'' Muslims around the world demanded an apology and the European Union (news - web sites) voiced concern over the remarks by Berlusconi, who took office in June amid concerns outside Italy about his far-right political partners. ``We should be conscious of the superiority of our civilization , which consists of a value system that has given people widespread prosperity in those countries that embrace it, and guarantees respect for human rights and religion,'' Berlusconi said Wednesday. ``This respect certainly does not exist in the Islamic countries,'' he told Italian journalists in Berlin. Berlusconi's office said he would meet the Saudi ambassador to Italy and other Arab diplomats Tuesday, in an apparent effort to make amends. Without mentioning Berlusconi's statement, Iranian President Mohammad Khatami (news - web sites) had earlier issued a strongly worded warning against people trying to create a clash of civilizations. Officials in Islamic countries have voiced concern over an anti-Muslim backlash in the West after the September 11 suicide attacks on the United States. Washington has named Saudi-born Islamic militant Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) as the prime suspect in the attacks which were allegedly carried out by Arab Muslim militants.

To: SirRealist who wrote (1607)	9/27/2001 11:01:03 PM
From: captain_midnite	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Sir, Cheminsky teaches at USC Law, was one of my favorite teachers there. It's good to see his insights, while his views are often more liberal than mine(and most of those at 'SC) he is widely considered one of the leading Con Law experts, even if he teaches at a non-East Coast school.:) As I stated, the fear I have is the 70% or so I see in the polls eager to give up some personal freedom or civil liberties. The question is usually so slanted, i.e. "Would you be willing to give up some personal freedom to be safer?" that it basically provides the intended answer. What's the option? Stay the same, well that must mean I am unsafe...Hmm, why of course I'll give up civil liberties! That's the worry, and such thinking will do more damage than all the bombers and hi-jackers combined. I had some experience at the US Atty's office, if one wants to take a car away from a Crystal Meth dealer I am the man, and I can say with my limited experience the issue we need to face is sharing of info by disparate governmental sources. Way too much fiefdom-thinking even in our own halls of govt... One can safely assume that there was much data on a majority of these perps, and that agencies were not sharing info as they could/should. My hope is that is the outcome of all this, that we see Ridge or whomever mandating the sharing of info. That will go a lot further than much of the measures I have seen offered today and recently. I do fear a lot of law enforcement will try and sidestep their failure in countering the possibility of something like the current attack by requesting more powers historically denied them. The one exception I have would be the ability to "tap" a person versus one static phone number. Much of the other ideas (foreign sourced surveillance, national ID cards, omnipresent CC cameras) scare the mojo out of me. Let's keep the country we have, otherwise why try and protect it? Worries me when we start the "lose a few civil liberties" talk. midnite