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To: Thomas M. who wrote (5093)9/28/2001 12:06:07 PM
From: Ilaine  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
Do you have a link for your assertion? Because that's not what I am hearing. I am hearing that the US is refusing to divulge the information but has it. C-Span, press briefing by Ari Fleischer, probably on the White House site.



To: Thomas M. who wrote (5093)9/28/2001 9:56:29 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
Bin Laden Buys Child Slaves for His Drug Farms
in Africa

The world's most wanted terrorist pays Ugandan rebels one Kalashnikov rifle for every youngster they supply. The children are then used as forced labour on the Sudan marijuana fields that fund his terror network.


Ram across something interesting not long ago about bin Ladin's activities in the Sudan, where he lived prior to moving to Afghanistan.

iabolish.com.
africana.com

. . . activists say there are more slaves today than ever before in human history. They can be found over much of the world. Slaves mine gold in South America, cut sugar cane in the Caribbean, tend cattle in West Africa, weave carpets in India and populate brothels in East Asia, and most are women and children.
Although the Boston-based American Anti-Slavery Group, AASG, opposes all forms of slavery, it is concentrating on two countries where activists say the situation is widespread and serious - the African nations of the Sudan and Mauritania. ";They are really the only places with chattel slavery," said Jesse Sage, associate director of AASG. Derived from the French word for cattle, chattel slavery refers to a practice in which "people are bought and sold like livestock." Children born of slave parents automatically enter bondage themselves.
Sage said that abuses in other parts of the world, such as the Asian sex trade, have been widely reported in the international media, but that slavery in Sudan and Mauritania has received little coverage until recently. "This has attracted almost no attention from the human rights community," he said. "Our group was founded to fill in that void. There is not a lot of academic interest in this. Whatever the reasons, it's a serious failing. There has been a little bit of a conspiracy of silence." Sage estimated that there are some 50,000 slaves in Sudan, Africa's largest nation. Most of them are believed to be Christian or followers of traditional religion from the southern part of the country, which has been fighting for an independent state periodically since the British departed in 1955. The Islamic government in the north has been accused of using slavery to terrorize the south.
In 1996 Gregory Kane, a writer for The Baltimore Sun, traveled to Sudan and purchased two young boys, returning them to their father. The organization Christian Solidarity International has reportedly also bought the freedom of some 11,000 slaves in the past four years. But many activists feel that this does little to change things. "Buying slaves is not the solution," Sage said. "This is just a fraction of the slaves."
Sage said slavery in Sudan is part of a wider campaign of genocide, which has killed some two million southerners, and displaced another four million, especially members of the Dinka ethnic group, who have been particularly resistant to northern domination. He also said the national government wants to drive people from sections of the Dinka homeland to make way for oil exploration. To pressure the government to stop such practices, AASG is calling for an international economic boycott of the Sudan. "Sudan needs to be isolated," Sage said. "It is unconscionable for western companies to do business there. They are fueling human rights violations. The money is being used to wage genocide."
The AASG bulletin, The Anti-Slavery Report, quotes The London Sunday Telegraph as stating that Osama bin Laden, believed to be the mastermind behind bombings of the U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania last year, uses slave children captured in Uganda to work in Sudanese marijuana fields, or to serve as soldiers or concubines. Across the continent in the West African nation of Mauritania, slavery is practiced on "a massive scale," according to Sage. Some one million Mauritanians, more than one third of the country's total population, live in servitude, which was legal until the 1980's. Most Mauritanian slaves are blacks from the southern part of the country, owned by members of the lighter-skinned Berber ethnic group.
Moctar Teyeb, an escaped Mauritanian slave, is AASG's outreach director. Writing in The Anti-Slavery Report, Teyeb said that Islam has been incorrectly used to justify slavery. "They [slave owners] said, 'Listen, this is a religion that comes from God. This is how God created you - black. The important thing for you is to get a reward in paradise. To do this, you have to obey your master in the present,' " he writes. "In Mauritania, there is a saying, 'The path to heaven is under your master's foot.' " Despite the distortions of some slave owners, the Islamic Koran stresses that servants should be well treated, and the prophet Muhammad is said to have condemned slave traders as "the wickedest people."



To: Thomas M. who wrote (5093)9/28/2001 10:35:39 PM
From: Brumar89  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
What is "incontrovertible evidence"? Would it be a signed confession? Maybe a videotape of bin Ladin talking about the plans with a group of terrorists, perhaps? Not likely to ever get something like that.

I think cases are usually by made by "building a wall of evidence" - producing individual pieces of evidence each of which by themselves may not be 100% proof, but in coordination with a bunch of similar corrobating evidence are convincing proof. From what I've seen there are a number of pieces of evidence which would tie bin Ladin to this and other crimes. He has already been indicted in this country for past terrorist activities.

From US News & World Report 10/1/2001 p22
Algerian Ahmed Ressam, convicted of trying to bomb Los Angeles International Airport during millenium celebrations, testified that bin Ladin gave him $12,000 to mount his attack.

Ressam also told a courtroom two months ago that he trained for a chemical attack at a camp inside Afghanistan where poison was unleashed to kill dogs. "In regard to targets in general ... we were speaking about America," Ahmed Ressam testified in July. Ressam said terrorist trainers discussed
dispensing poison through the air intake vents of buildings to ensure the maximum amount of casualties.


He also said they learned how to place cyanide near a building's air intake to kill as many people as they could without endangering themselves, he testified. Ressam told authorities that the camp taught him how to mix poisons with oily substances and smear them on doorknobs so those who touched them would be killed by toxins coursing through their blood. He said America, as the "enemy of Islam," was the likely target of such attacks.

Here's other evidence reported in the press:

observer.co.uk

. . .from Germany, where agents bugged a known bin Laden cell celebrating wildly at the news
of the atrocities, with one voice exclaiming: 'We did it, we did it.


And from the same source:

Al-Ghamdi and Satam al-Suqami, one of those aboard the north tower aircraft, are said to have been closely linked with Raed Hijazi, a US citizen and Boston taxi driver arrested in Syria and currently on trial in Jordan for a series of thwarted bomb attacks which had been planned for Millennium Eve on hotels used by Westerners.

While awaiting trial, Hijazi has begun to co-operate with investigators, admitting his own membership of al-Qaeda and naming Nabil al-Marabh, another Boston taxi driver, as a leading bin Laden agent inside the US. FBI sources say al-Suqami and al-Ghamdi were also close to al-Marabh, who was arrested near Chicago on Thursday after a nationwide manhunt. He had earlier evaded arrest at a bin Laden safe house in Detroit, where police found false passports and a notebook containing plans and notes about security at a US base in Turkey and an airport in Jordan.


And:

Khalid al-Midhar, another of the hijackers, and the man using the false identity of Nawaq al-Hamzi, also appear to be linked directly to al-Qaeda. In January 2000, according to US reports, they were filmed secretly by the CIA attending a bin Laden operatives' meeting in Malaysia - where al-Qaeda is said to have bank accounts. Al-Midhar, who was on board the Pentagon flight, was already being sought by US investigators for his alleged role in last year's attack on the USS Cole in the Gulf.

I'm sure there is a whole lot more evidence than this. These are just a few things I've picked up from reading about this issue. Then, of course, there is bin Ladin's fatwa he issued calling on all Muslims to kill Americans, civilian or military wherever they can because of our defiling Arabian soil with our presence.