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To: Jerry Olson who wrote (3833)	9/28/2001 10:02:32 PM
From: Lee Lichterman III	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 5893

OT Regarding Gas masks - I hope you realize that using a gas mask to save your life isn't as easy as just putting on a halloween mask or swimming goggle. There is a lot of training involved and filters have to be changed on a regular basis. Crash course is that you have to immediately hold your breath, close your eyes and put on the mask by feel, exhale forcefully to force out the "bad air", tighten up all the straps to get a perfect fit and then take your first breath. The filters are only good exposed to air a limited time in a "clean" environment and go bad in a contaminated environment depending on what you are being exposed to. Blood agents are the worst as they clog filters in hours, other contaminants allow the use of the filter for a day or two. If you get the filter wet, it is toast and you have to change it out. Changing filters can be a pain also depending on what type of mask you get. If you don't have short hair ( your wife?), then getting a good seal on the mask is almost impossible. We go through multiple mask fit tests before finding one that fits well enough for us to pass our tank tests. When our "married mask" goes bad, we have to start all over again and go through mask after mask until we find the one that we can pass with. It isn't as easy as ordering a small, medium or large and having it fit on the first try. All this assumes of course that if we are ever attacked, that they will use only a compound that has to be inhaled to be dangerous. If they use an agent that can be absorbed through the skin, then you need a full suit ensemble that is beyond the scope of anything a civilian would ever be able to get into in time. Even those of us in the military are hard pressed to get into one in time to save our lives thus when the risk is high for an attack, we walk around in these suits 24 hours a day unless in a chemical protective shelter. I am sure your intent is good but the reality of non trained personnel being able to buy a mask and get their family in it in time are very low. In the case of a non nerve gas or blood agent attack, you won't even know you have been exposed until it is too late. By the time symptoms show, most people are so exposed it is just a matter of time until they die too. I am not trying to be a doomsday sayer here. Just trying to be realistic before everyone spends a ton of money on stuff that won't help much. About the only way a anti chemical set up will help is if a town upwind of you gets hit and you want to wear it to protect your self long enough to move farther away. If you think you will drive in one under a circimstance like this, I HIGHLY recomend a mask with a large face shield and NOT the ones with the holes for each eye. You can't see shi&t out of those things. -gggg- Also if you ever have to drive in a full suit with the protective foot covers, pray you aren't driving a manual transmission as driving an automatic is hard enough with those boot covers on your feet. Also hope you live in a cold climate as the suits build up heat fast since they are lined with plastic and have about an inch of charcoal lining the whole thing. We always prayed we would fight in the artic. -ggg- Even if you do everything right and live through it all, the most critical and most often deadly time for the chemical attack is after you are safe and are taking the suit and mask off. There is a long list of steps that have to be done perfect or you will contaminate yourself as you get undressed. This is the time when most people kill themselves by accident. I screw it up about 25% of the time and I have been doing this for 19 years! Good Luck, Lee

To: Jerry Olson who wrote (3833)	9/30/2001 7:50:09 PM
From: Smooth Drive	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5893

Hello Jerry, What a terrific service you're providing to your clients. As you know, different size p&f boxes can act as a sort of confirmation of trends, signals etc. Thought you might like to see the dow with three different size log boxes. swinglines.homestead.com 1. The .75% log box is the fastest acting and you can see that it's on a buy signal. The important Bearish Support Lines (BRSL) are drawn from the left of the bottom that formed in April of this year. You can see that it turned up right on the second BRSL and its breakout bearish vertical price objective of approximately 8500 was hit. Its first price objective off the bottom is 10000. 2. The 1% log box confirms the trend line and price objective. It did pass through the first BRSL but not by very much. Its bearish price objective was 8160 so we are within spitting distance of that. 3. The 2% provides a very long term look. The first BRSL is drawn from action back in May of 99 and it has held. The vertical price objective of approximately 5700 seems a bit excessive. However, the horizontal count comes in at around the old pullback of 6384 set in April of 97. So, the two shorter term seem to have met their price objectives and it could be argued that they could well do some basing here and move upward. The longer term (2%) says not so fast here. But, if the 2% can do a little base building and then a buy signal, the very bearish price objectives would be cancelled. A little time will tell<g> Take care, Eric

To: Jerry Olson who wrote (3833)	10/8/2001 2:03:57 PM
From: ru2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 5893

AGAIN..NOT TO ADD TO THE HYSTERIA...I AM GETTING INFO ON GAS MASKS AND OTHER PROTECTIVE PRODUCTS FOR MY WHOLE FAMILY..I WANT TO THANK THOSE THAT SENT ME THIS INFO..I HAVE CONTACTS IN ISRAEL, AND HAVE E-MIALED THEM FOR INFO THERE..WE'LL SEE...I WILL PASS THIS ON WHEN I GET IT..YOUR CHOICE TO USE IT OR TOSS IT... ************************************************************************************************************************ O.J. please pm me the info as you get it. One response to this post had the tone that you should forget preparing if you are a civilian. While I agree that a full body suit is a bit much for civilians to try, gas masks can be used by intelligent civilians. I personally know several that have used them effectively against pepper spray, tear gas. Also negative ions can be very effective at removing many things from the air including bacteria. One can readily buy a combination air filter negative ion generator. I had one in my home for years and it kept the air quite clean and dropped so much crap out of the air that I had to paint the walls near it on a regular basis. War and civilian defense are two different things. Hiding in a small sealed room in your house with a gas mask and a negative ion generator is a different game than fighting with a gas mask on. Telling people they cannot do anything to prepare is down right irresponsible. The Israeli civilians used gas mask during the attacks buy Iraq. In case of nuclear fall out having Iodine at hand is a matter of life and death. Radioactive Iodine is one of the Hottest Isotopes and fries you thyroid quite well unless you ingest enough Iodine so that your body does not need it. Taking thyroid pills prevents the adsorption of radio active Iodine. Fortunately it has a very short half life. In two weeks or so the danger is gone. Iodine is cheap and available at your local drug store. I have had Iodine around for years and have plenty now and I don't worry. Glad to see some one acting responsible. Get the masks. Learn how to use them and then don't worry. If the worst happens your prepared. With luck we won't need them. I do not have the dosages for the Iodine at hand, I'll Pm you soon with those. R