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To: epsteinbd who wrote (32879)	9/29/2001 2:37:38 AM
From: Jamey	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Epsteinbd, I was not clear to you and i apologize. I simply meant that Josephus, as he described that if God had not sent the armies of the Romans to destroy them, then they were so immoral that the earth surely would have opened and swallowed them up. He did make a statement similar to the state of their condition that was parallel to what Jesus said about them. He did not quote Jesus, but merely was in agreement with their utter degenerate natures. My hard drive crashed recently, and I lost all of the material that I had collected on Josephus. I was merely quoting from memory. I believe he has 4 or 5 books out. Have you read them all? Santiago

To: epsteinbd who wrote (32879)	9/29/2001 1:45:14 PM
From: Mitch Blevins	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 39621

Hi epsteinbd, Josephus does mention jesus in two very short passages. He describes the death of James in Antiquities, Book 20, chapter 9: ...Festus was now dead, and Albinus was but upon the road; so he assembled the sanhedrim of judges, and brought before them the brother of Jesus, who was called Christ, whose name was James, and some others, [or, some of his companions]; and when he had formed an accusation against them as breakers of the law, he delivered them to be stoned: ... The next mention is more controversial, as there is good evidence that it was either inserted or changed after Josephus by Christian copyists. Here is the whole quote from Antiquities 18:63-64, with the parts that most agree were inserted later in all CAPS: Now there was about this time Jesus, a wise man IF IT BE LAWFUL TO CALL HIM A MAN, for he was a doer of wonders, A TEACHER OF SUCH MEN AS RECEIVE THE TRUTH WITH PLEASURE. He drew many after him BOTH OF THE JEWS AND THE GENTILES. HE WAS THE CHRIST. When Pilate, at the suggestion of the principal men among us, had condemned him to the cross, those that loved him at the first did not forsake him, FOR HE APPEARED TO THEM ALIVE AGAIN THE THIRD DAY, AS THE DIVINE PROPHETS HAD FORETOLD THESE AND THEN THOUSAND OTHER WONDERFUL THINGS ABOUT HIM, and the tribe of Christians, so named from him, are not extinct at this day.