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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (21740)	9/29/2001 3:56:59 PM
From: uu	Respond to of 24042

Dear Amein: This is reference to our continuation of discussion over Islam. In advance I apologize to my fello wJDSu share holders if the topic is not relavant to this post, but I am sure if Amein wants to he can provide me a URL to another more relevant thread to discuss the issues at hand. Amein, I believe you either selectively or unknowingly ignored my previous post to you for which I do not find any of your explanations logical in respond to my questons/comments. Therefore please refer to my post and review it once again: Message 16431428 In any event I am just going to breifly comment on your latest post to me: You state: > the case of a husband beating his wife, is only referred to as the limit of punishment... and I started with clarifying that even the most severe of punishment is not what people think... however, you opted to jump to making erroneous statements You are missing the point my friend. I am not talking about the level of punishment. I am talking about the punishment itself! The point is how dare an ideaology encourages, promotes, or even discusses the idea of a man punishing his wife (regardless of how harsh or soft that punishment is meant to be)? We are talking about a religion - known as Islam - that in effect is saying it is OK for a man to beat his wife, and to dominate her in any way form or shape possible. How on earth can you or for that matter anyone justify this? I really appreciate it if you just concentrate on this very point that why: Koran says it is ok to beat your wife if she does not obey you. - and Ok I accept your defense that this beating is meant to be just slap on the hand and nothing more! But why the holly book even discusses this vry notion that a man is allowed to punish his wife?! Does it also talk about a wife punishing her husband?! If you can put a positive spin on this very point that Koran implies (that a man can hit his wife)I rest my case with the rest of what Koran says! And I am still waiting to hear from you why I would be dead by now had I raised my questions and issues as I have done so in this post if I was living in an Islamic country (and you can pick any one of them from Saudi Arabia, to Iran, to Algeria, to ...)!! :) As for your logic that Koran is a man only book because men - in most parts of the world - are the head of the households, I find that rather interesting (to say the least). So what should those who are NOT men (i.e. women) and are the head of the household? Oh.. but I forgot, I believe Islam prefers women not to be the head of the household - After all if a man can have 4 legal wives and 1000 temporary wives, how can a household survive with so many "heads"! Or am I missing something here?! If you really want me - and you have to let me know of this and perhaps we can discuss this on some other more relvant thread of your choice - I can go into Koran word-by-word and provide you a comprehensive meaning of what it tries to say. In any event, I refer you back to my post and I am still waiting to hear some logical explanation to the points I raised in that post (if you do not mind providing some)- and if you provide me a more relavant thread to discuss these issues I would be more than happy to continue it on that designated thread. Message 16431428 Warmest Regards,

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (21740)	9/29/2001 8:56:06 PM
From: uu	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 24042

Dear Amein: the following perhaps summarizes a lot of things. These are taken word-by-word from Koran: members.aol.com I am sure there always will be some positive spin on each item! (such as when Koran talks about beating one's wife, it really does not mean to punish her in the same manner that O.J Simpson did, but to the extend (such as slapping her on the hand, or her rear end, or...?), that she comes to understand that she has to obey her husband. :) Warmest Regards,