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To: kodiak_bull who wrote (8908)	10/1/2001 3:50:54 PM
From: Second_Titan	Respond to of 23153

CORRECT: CISCO SYSTEMS CUT TO 'SELL' AT LAZARD FRERES I am glad I am not paying these guys for advice. Tough call this week on API's, if things are as bad as some suspect the API's & the following AGA's could cause a panic.

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (8908)	10/1/2001 4:33:35 PM
From: cnyndwllr	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Kodiak, you've got me, just last night I watched a Sly video. It was about racing and was as bad as most of his movies. The first Rambo was ok. Actually, I was thinking more of our own history. In the days of the old west when civilization was crude and people all bore arms, it was not uncommon to see vigilante justice and sometimes it took the form of a shot from an ally or from behind a bush. "Getting along" had more meaning back then I guess. Not long ago we had killing in the main street of a town (was it Utah?) in broad daylight. The newly departed was the town bully and was purportedly dangerous. No one saw it, it must have been a cloudy day. My view of a place that has been at war for as long as Afghanistan and has only kept up with the modern world in the area of weaponary, is that there are probably a lot of people who know how easy it is to kill someone safely and effectively. I added to that the fact that people have families and that the victims were children. It just seemed to me that someone might take that shot. Am I missing something that is peculiar to the region or is it just that human nature is so meek that the strong can take from the meek everywhere, even when the meek have access to arms? I do agree that when tortured we do tend to speak freely. I saw a special on the POW's in the Viet Nam war, however, in which the survivors placed the POW's in categories. One category was the prisoner who would not bend, even under torture. The survival rate for them in that setting was dismal but evidently there were some like that. Admittedly the NVA methods were crude and were not designed to maximize pain while prolonging life, but still it makes you wonder if some can and will take the tough way out. I suspect that I would give them so much information that none of it would make sense and, as any of you who have read my previous posts is aware, any information I provided would probably be useless and more likely to harm the enemy than help. gg. Ed PS. As soon as I think I have anthing interesting to say about the market, I will. In the meantime I think this is a wait and see time since there are too many wild cards in the game.

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (8908)	10/1/2001 5:27:38 PM
From: chowder	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 23153

Color me silly, but it looks like the telecommunication sector (XTC) is putting in a bottom. Momentum seems to be creeping into the sector on the weekly chart. Last week's trading pattern shows a bullish reversal pattern. stockcharts.com[h,a]waclynmy[pb20!b10!f][iut!Ub14!La12,26,9!Lh14,3!Ld20!Ll14!Lj[$spx]] A close above the 10 week moving average would do a lot to confirm an uptrend. It may be worth keeping an eyeball on it. Ole Eagle Eye w/bifocals, dabum

To: kodiak_bull who wrote (8908)	10/1/2001 5:47:24 PM
From: Libbyt	Respond to of 23153

OT - From another board Talk Later nytimes.com By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN September 28, 2001 The day after the World Trade Center bombings an Egyptian TV show called and asked me to explain the impact on Americans. I scanned my brain for an analogy and finally said: Imagine how Egyptians would feel if three suicide bombers rammed airplanes into the Pyramids, with thousands of people inside. The World Trade towers were our Pyramids, built with glass and steel rather than stones, but Pyramids to American enterprise and free markets, and someone has destroyed them. I'm still not sure the world fully appreciates what this has meant to Americans. We are not fighting for Kosovo, and we are not fighting for Bosnia, Somalia or Kuwait. We are fighting for our country. And Americans will fight for their country and they will die for their country. The big question is how we fight this war to deliver to Americans what they want — which is not revenge, but justice and security. It requires a new attitude toward the battle and new strategy on the battlefield. What attitude? We need to be really focused, really serious, and just a little bit crazy. I don't mean we should indiscriminately kill people, especially innocent Afghans. I mean that the terrorists and their supporters need to know that from here forward we will do whatever it takes to defend our way of life — and then some. From here forward, it's the bad guys who need to be afraid every waking moment. The more frightened our enemies are today, the fewer we will have to fight tomorrow. As for the new strategy, if our first priority is to destroy the Osama bin Laden network in Afghanistan, then we need to understand that it takes a home-grown network to destroy a home-grown network. Let me put it another way: If Osama bin Laden were hiding in the jungles of Colombia instead of Afghanistan, whose help would we enlist to find him? U.S. Army Special Forces? The Colombian Army? I don't think so. Actually, we would enlist the drug cartels. They have the three attributes we need: They know how to operate as a covert network and how to root out a competing network, such as Mr. bin Laden's. They can be bought and know how to buy others. And they understand that when we say we want someone "dead or alive" we mean "dead or dead." The Cali cartel doesn't operate in Afghanistan. But the Russian mafia sure does, as do various Afghan factions, drug rings and Pakistani secret agents. They all have their local, home-grown networks, and it is through such networks that the Afghan part of this war on terrorism will be fought. "The best news I've heard all week was that Vladimir Putin is serious about joining the coalition," said Moises Naim, editor of the journal Foreign Policy. "This sort of character can really help now." Moises is right. Something tells me Mr. Putin, the Russian president and former K.G.B. spymaster, has the phone number of the guy in the Russian mafia who knows the guy in the Afghan cartels who knows the guy who knows the guy who knows where Mr. bin Laden is hiding. It is going to be that kind of war: an above-ground army you fight with tanks and generals, an underground network you fight with moles and exterminators. In fighting this kind of war the president and his advisers would do themselves a huge favor by not talking so much. They are already starting to contradict themselves and get tied up in knots. Be like the terrorists: Let your actions speak. It is much more unnerving to the enemy. For everything there is a season. There will be a season later on for talking. There will be a season for dealing with other states that have supported terrorism. And there will be a season for promoting Arab-Israeli peace or economic development. But right now — right now is the season of hunting down people who want to destroy our country. War alone may not solve this problem, but neither will social work. And one thing a focused, covert war will do is create a level of deterrence that has not existed up to now. Every state has to know that after Sept. 11, harboring anti-U.S. terrorists will be lethal. To drive that point home, though, people have to see that we are focused, serious and ready to use whatever tactics will make the terrorists feel bad, not make us feel good. As the Lebanese militia leader Bashir Gemayel once said about the Middle East — before he himself was assassinated — "This is not Norway here, and it is not Denmark." Copyright 2001 The New York Times Company