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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: gao seng who wrote (30660)	10/1/2001 11:49:40 PM
From: St_Bill	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 82486

I'm tired. I will save what you wrote and read it carefully later.. One last gasp: The constitution guarantees the right of free speech and free association without fear of government persecution. HUAC did it's best to force people to explain their beliefs, affiliations and associations when they had no constitutional right to do so and persecution resulted as some brave souls decided that it was in their interest to explain what they, or even worse, their buddies had been up to over the years. all of this was hardly American and decidedly unconstitutional. FDR -- a great hero. Unlike what we think of McCarthy. But you're dead right, to our everlasting shame his government and its people did what it did to Japanese Americans.That bit of history is relevant now and we are talking about it, which is encouraging. Still in all, FDR has a much greater legacy, despite his mistakes, than Mr. McCarthy (FDR you'll remember, with all of his social programs was the anti-business commie that neverthless saved our ass). Though I would argue that both ought to be forgiven for their respective trespasses to the extent that we have indeed learned from their mistakes. I won't argue about which was the greater mistake. I'm not sure how to measure it.

To: gao seng who wrote (30660)	10/2/2001 8:46:05 PM
From: gao seng	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

Scholars Find Further Signs of Big Flood Evoking Noah By JOHN NOBLE WILFORD October 1, 2001 Archaeologists have found evidence that appears to support the theory that a catastrophic flood struck the Black Sea region more than 7,000 years ago, turning the sea saline, submerging surrounding plains and possibly inspiring the flood legends of Mesopotamia and the Bible. In their first scientific report, the expedition leaders said that a sonar survey in the sea off Sinop, a city on the northern coast of Turkey, conducted in the summer of 2000, revealed the first distinct traces of the preflood shoreline, now about 500 feet underwater. At one site, the sonar detected more than 30 stone blocks on a gently sloping but otherwise featureless bottom. Further investigation with remote controlled cameras revealed pieces of wood and other objects, possibly ceramics. The site "appeared uniquely rectangular" in the sonar image, and the stone blocks did not appear to be part of a natural geological formation, expedition scientists reported in today's issue of The American Journal of Archaeology. Analysis of core samples yielded chemical evidence that archaeologists said were consistent with the interpretation that the site was once occupied by people. "The expedition clearly has found a subaquatic landscape with materials that belong to the period before the inundation," said Dr. Bruce Hitchner, an archaeologist at the University of Dayton, Ohio, and editor of the journal, a publication of the Archaeological Institute of America. "They have confirmed an important element of the flood theory, quite convincingly I think." The expedition was led by Dr. Robert D. Ballard, an oceanographer and president of the Institute for Exploration in Mystic, Conn., and Dr. Fredrik T. Hiebert, an archaeologist at the University of Pennsylvania. The research was supported in part by the National Geographic Society. Among the expedition's most striking discoveries were four Roman and Byzantine shipwrecks, several of them surprisingly well preserved because of the oxygen-deficient waters at the bottom of the sea. nytimes.com