To: tcmay who wrote (144556 ) 10/2/2001 11:45:09 AM From: maui_dude Respond to of 186894 Re : "I call them as I see them." I believe you. But the question is : how good is your visibility ? "What a person "wants" to do is of little relevance in a hard-driven business. A designer who wants to "spend more time with his family" or a fab engineer who leaves his department in the lurch because "he wants to find himself" is less likely to have a job than someone who has worked through the crisis. Employment is more often than not for a specific job, a specific group. An employee whose job is not important enough for his manager to ask that he _not_ take time off (to explore Africa, to write poetry, to windsurf) is thus not essential to the group. In a system where employees are being let go, which is the situation we're talking about here (disc. is of layoffs), the calculus is obvious." It all depends on what you can deliver. Layoffs or no-layoffs, if you can deliver more than the next person on a near and long-term basis. wheather you work-time of full-time or take time-off for a short time is irrelevant (except in jobs where a warm body is more important than brain work, like security or fab? or operations, etc). "Also, employees who leave for a while are much less prepared to cope with rigorous work schedules and the b.s. of modern corporate life." what kind of work are you talking about ? Companies like Intel and many others require people to take sabatical immediately after its due because employees having a healthy, balanced personal life is considered essential. Same is achieved through "use it or lose it" vacation policy. The same reason, smart employees get the leave of absense, so they can come back as happier employees. Ever heard of work-life balance programs at hi-tech ? It is critical that employees have healthy, well-rounded life, especially in 'thinking' jobs. You have to expand your way of thinking. Do you want a perpetually grumpy, stressed-out employee, with no life outside of work in your company ? You would have half your department not wanting to deal with him/her. Talk about loss of productivity in that case. You talk about rigor of modern life, like some authority. Look at your buddy Barrett. He has a active life outside of work (in Montana ?) and he makes sure he re-charges often. "This is one of the reasons most chicks who leave to have babies return, when they do, to find themselves way behind their former peer group. Most such chicks just bag it after a year or two." Chicks ? Still bitter from the time she dumped you ? You are a very sorry case. You are correct that 'chicks' fall behind when they come back after having babies. A few reasons contribute to it. In hi-tech, technology changes so fast, that your knowledge gets outdated in those years and when they come back they come back at a knowledge disadvantage. Beside, 'the guys' like it that way too. We in our 'civilized' society have our 'boys network' to keep them in place. don't we ? How, many love to see Carly fall flat, even though they never invest in HP. How we cant stand hillary. But we are fine with a 'chick' who excels in artwork or cooking or singing. We do have something in common with the Talibans! "(Sure, the busybodies pressure Congress to make laws forcing corporations to give the chicks back their old jobs, but Congress can't change reality. And like laws requiring corporations to hire quotas of black people, the laws ultimately boomerang.)" Again a very black or white thinking. You need to think grey, dude. Maui.