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To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56856)	10/2/2001 1:34:51 PM
From: AK2004	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

bmw <edited> give it a rest, amd's marketing schemes are child's play when compared to intel's. Why don't you put them side by side and compare.... As far as MSFT goes then Bill never forgave intel for their support of linux. <edited>I am sure that amd cleared "xp" with Bill and obviously that was not a problem. Regards -Albert

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56856)	10/2/2001 1:41:17 PM
From: andreas_wonisch	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Wanna_bmw, Re: JC, IIRC, you once had a poll for what to name the new Athlon, and Athlon XP was one of the choices. What led you to include that option? A little premonition, or were you tipped off? This thread came up with the name Athlon XP. In fact it were Albert and Jay who suggested it. Andreas

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56856)	10/2/2001 2:04:53 PM
From: Petz	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

wanna - yes, you did misread my post, water over the dam. JC had it right. But to claim that the name XP will backfire is pretty funny. Petz

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56856)	10/2/2001 2:23:34 PM
From: jcholewa	Respond to of 275872

> JC, I didn't misread Petz. Okay. :) > In fact, I'm sure that in some instances, the XP moniker > will lead to some confusion as to the relationship between > the Athlon and Windows, which is why it is so funny when > AMD claims the name to be a coincidence. Yeah, the claim of coincidence is just to avoid getting Microsoft pissed off at them. > (Aside: JC, IIRC, you once had a poll for what to name the > new Athlon, and Athlon XP was one of the choices. What > led you to include that option? A little premonition, or > were you tipped off? You don't have to answer if it is > the latter.) Actually, I think that the name might have originated here on SI. It was a somewhat natural idea, though, since AMD already had the "Athlon MP", so "Athlon XP" would sound totally consistent. FWIW, I voted for "Athlon XP" in the poll. ^_^ > What I am suggesting is that perhaps this "coincidence" > will backfire, if the Pentium 4 happens to be marketed > with Windows XP (or better yet, has real world noticeable > performance improvements due to optimizations), while the > Athlon XP does not. Like the fake megahertz confusion, > customers will feel cheated, thinking that some kind of > false advertising has taken place. You overestimate the average consumer. The first part of your paragraph here won't matter at all, as consumers don't actually follow performance charts unless they're in stands above monitors at Best Buy. And we won't see Intel putting out promotional material to end users describing Athlon XP performance in Windows XP relative to Windows 2000. The second part of what you see is a little bit of an issue, but it totally depends on how retail employees push the products.

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56856)	10/2/2001 6:06:39 PM
From: fyodor_	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 275872

Wanna, I feel this is perhaps an appropriate time to comment that "XP" has been and is used extensively in the computer industry: Starting off with the perhaps most interesting product to yet carry the XP name, a rather unique "graphics tablet": Early 1999 CrossPad XP (source: creativepro.com ) HP VISUALIZE XP (an old HP workstation) (source: mbar.dtu.dk ) May 28, 2001 Trident Blade XP based 3D Graphics Boards Start Volume Production (source: tridentmicro.com ) October 31st, 2000 Hercules is delighted to present a revolutionary concept in the gaming industry - the Game Theater XP™. (source: europe.hercules.com ) 1998? XP: An Authoring System for Immersive Art Exhibitions (source:http://www.evl.uic.edu/pape/papers/xp.vsmm98/ ) January 2, 2001 Micron Millennia MAX XP (source: pcmag.com ) And then there are the misc. Mac and even Kodak products that include the XP moniker. And there are plenty of others. -fyo

To: wanna_bmw who wrote (56856)	10/3/2001 9:41:21 AM
From: that_crazy_doug	Respond to of 275872

<< Athlon XP was one of the choices. What led you to include that option? A little premonition, or were you tipped off? You don't have to answer if it is the latter.) >> At the time the poll was running it was a discussion on the thread, and Athlon XP was one of the choices someone came up with to ride off of windows marketing. << What I am suggesting is that perhaps this "coincidence" will backfire, if the Pentium 4 happens to be marketed with Windows XP (or better yet, has real world noticeable performance improvements due to optimizations), while the Athlon XP does not. Like the fake megahertz confusion, customers will feel cheated, thinking that some kind of false advertising has taken place. >> This is a ridiculous line of thought. For this to happen the p4 would have to outperform the athlon on a clock per PR clock or clock per clock basis. From what I've seen it does neither one, so I find it more likely that someone with a P4 would feel cheated then the other way around. Though quite frankly, I think all the machines will offer so much power, that the customer is more likely to feel cheated about the POS integrated video. I know I could tell the difference between a geforce 3 and a tnt2 vanta or savage 3d integrated chip a lot faster then I could tell the difference between a top end intel or amd chip. << But if AMD did choose the name intentionally, then they deserve whatever praise or criticism they get. >> I am surprised anyone out there finds it plausible that the naming wasn't intentional. How long have we known about XP naming convention, a year at least? Indications from a year ago show an entirely different naming convention in the works.