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To: Sam Citron who wrote (53745)	10/3/2001 7:56:38 PM
From: michael97123	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Sam, Same in Chechnya and Jersey City! mike

To: Sam Citron who wrote (53745)	10/3/2001 8:15:43 PM
From: Tito L. Nisperos Jr.	Respond to of 70976

Sam, The MILF do not sanction the activities of the Abu Sayyaf who are more like bandits. The MILF recently made peace with the government (brokered by the organization of Islamic Nations including Libya. Khadafy's son, heir to the "throne" seems to want to be in good graces with America by being helpful to the Philippines). They Muslims were given some Autonomy to rule the Muslim areas. Another separatist group, the MNLF made peace with the government several years ago under then President Ramos. In short, the Abu Sayyaf who kills and beheads fellow Muslims also are viewed as giving "shame" to the Muslims in the Philippines The MNLF and MILF are both "honorable Muslim groups in war or in peace.

To: Sam Citron who wrote (53745)	10/3/2001 8:15:44 PM
From: Sam Citron	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

OT- Let me add a bit of Malthusian analysis to the ethnic strife explanation that I think is relevant: While a minority of the human population will be, as Francis Fukuyama would put it, sufficiently sheltered so as to enter a "post-historical" realm, living in cities and suburbs in which the environment has been mastered and ethnic animosities have been quelled by bourgeois prosperity, an increasingly large number of people will be stuck in history, living in shantytowns where attempts to rise above poverty, cultural dysfunction, and ethnic strife will be doomed by a lack of water to drink, soil to till, and space to survive in. theatlantic.com

To: Sam Citron who wrote (53745)	10/3/2001 11:02:05 PM
From: Jerome	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Sam/TITO...thanks for the informative post about the terrorists in that part of the world. The one thing that troubles me about this mess is that in South America we will be spending a few billion this year on the drug smugglers. In those countries we have government co-operation (Columbia, & Bolivia) and still little progress is being reported. But then again jungle areas may be more difficult than the desert areas of Afghanistan. I have been in jungle areas in the rainy season...and I think that at that time warfare comes to a halt.This is no problem in Afghanistan. Regards, Jerome