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To: Thomas M. who wrote (2541)	10/4/2001 9:40:12 AM
From: Scoobah	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Here is how the Palestinian Authority reviewed their murder foa a teenage couple: According to the propagande barfed out from Arafats controlled media, the two innocent youg people were soldiers? What puke! Hopefully soon, our last living hero Ariel Sharon will stamp out this scourge once and for all! palestinechronicle.com More about the Unit of Al-Aqsa Intifada’s Penetration into Alei Sinai Jewish Settlement Wednesday, October 03 2001 @ 01:06 PM GMT By PalestineChronicle.com Reporter GAZA CITY, Palestine (NEWSWIRE): Late last evening on October 2 at around 5:30 pm , a crack unit of Al-Aqsa Intifada penetrated into the Jewish settlement of Alei Sinai in the Gaza Strip. The Arab forces killed two Israeli occupation soldiers and wounded at least 15 others in a daring attack, the first of its kind, on an Israeli settlement in Gaza. Some of the wounded later included IDF soldiers who were called to the scene. The IDF forces killed 2 or 3 of the Palestinian resistance fighters who had infiltrated into the illegal Jewish settlement located on Palestinian land. It is reported that the Gaza is under full naval closure because Israel fears further attacks. After the Palestinians infiltrated the settlement, a fierce gun battle took place in Gaza between Palestinian civilians and the Israeli army. Gaza was under total siege for several hours as a result of the infiltration of the Al-Aqsa unit.

To: Thomas M. who wrote (2541)	10/4/2001 12:01:15 PM
From: Hawkmoon	Respond to of 281500

Stop waving the blue & white pom-poms, already. ;-) Poms.. Poms?? It's reality... The West Bank is almost fully integrated into the Israeli economy. They work in Israel (when the borders aren't closed down because of unrest), they sell their goods in Israel, they rely upon Israel for power generation and basic infrastructure, and the major port facilities are in Israel, should they wish to export anything internationally... and it's divided into two parts, Gaza and the West Bank... It's not a "viable" state in the sense that they will ever be independent of Israel, Thomas... I don't have to be some kind of Israeli "cheerleader" to recognize and understand that fact. All that's going to happen is that Palestinians will lose their jobs, the Israel will "contain" the problem by closing the borders (they may even set up an electried fence and minefields along the Green Line.. Furthermore Thomas, my point the benefits of economic wealth on the West Bank is based upon the fact Jordan was capturing some 40% of its GDP from the West Bank in 1967, yet was not providing the most basic of public services. The Iraeli government spent hundreds of millions hooking up Jerusalem to their own public infrastructure and creating modern telecommunications systems... And this investment was specific to the period when Israel actually captured the WB, not in the years following when Israel infrastructure improvements like what you described were prohibited by the UN as well as security concerns (why build a nifty highway via which your potential enemy could readily attack you. The fact that the entire area being in a state of flux as an "occupied territory" certainly prevented investment capital from finding its way there. After all, Jordan was claiming it as THEIR TERRITORY until 1989, not as some Palestinian state, so building highways and major infrastructure in the West Bank would hardly have been conducive to obtaining a peace treaty between the two nations. In fact, had Israel spent billions on the WB, Jordan would have had EVEN LESS reason to give the region up, and/or permit the Palestinian state they prevented in 1948 by annexing the WB in the first place. The Palestinians best economic interest is in forming closer ties to Israel, not trying to go it alone. A state without a viable economy, and in perpetual conflict with its neighbors, is only a state in title. They should settle for autonomy and a security arrangement with Israel. And they should face the fact that due to geography, Israel WILL ALWAYS have pre-eminence over the borders on the West Bank, if only to avoid it becoming a base for hostile operations against them. So as far as I'm concerned, the Palestinians should use a bit more sugar than salt, find a more moderate set of leaders, and drop the self-defeating hostility that is depriving them of a better economic life. Hawk