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To: craig crawford who wrote (132560)	10/4/2001 7:33:23 PM
From: Skeeter Bug	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 164684

>>not yet, but it's obvious that's where things are headed. the easiest way to erode your freedoms is little by little at a time.<< your logical end scenario isn't necessarily logical. it could happen, but so could many other things that don't include the US grabbing its collective ankles. >>like i said, it starts out with the UN telling us they can come inspect our prisons. then the UN says it can seize and arrest our soldiers and try them for war crimes.<< they don't tell. they ask. the un is a weak institution. remember the un conference on racism? yeah, the one we walked out on? somebody must have confused walking with grabbing ankles ;-) >>what kind of an argument is that?<< a facetious one. ;-) i agree that giving up sovereignty is foolish. so would 99.9% of americans. if not more. working within un constructs, if the un is being reasonable, is not that big a deal. when they are being unreasonable, the biggest kid in the sandbox will do what he is going to do. when i see REAL dangers then i will worry. >>that is where free traitors...err traders,<< boy, you love the ad hominem, don't ya. extremists love ad hominem, too. gets people riled up and emotional. leaves them less rational. usually it is put in to hide weakness of argument. >>like to demagogue and obfuscate. they like to imply that a united states which retains it's freedom of independence is somehow hunkering down or isolating itself from the rest of the world.<< actually, i thought i read where you supported letting other folks fall victim to genocide and starve to death w/o US any US intervention. my assumption was that those folks might interpret that as the middle finger. maybe they would enjoy it. just not likely. you have the generalities down, however, they don't mean jack squash. please list the rights the US has been FORCED to give up AGAINST ITS WILL? please be specific. then a real discussion might ensue instead of nonsense rhetoric designed to limit the impact of the intellect. otherwise, all this rhetoric is based upon a hypothetical.