To: ManyMoose who wrote (189370 ) 10/4/2001 11:18:07 PM From: E Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 769670 Secular Arabs are secular; secular Jews are secular. The only thing that would make them not secular if they weren't. So what? We're talking about religious zealots. Face it, dood. Faith-based terrorists. Of course they don't deserve respect, they deserve loathing and contempt. Duh. That doesn't make them secular, you silly. Read these excerpts from that NYT piece, for heaven's sake. Note subtle signs of non-secular mentality. Rilly rilly concentrate, you may pick them up! (Look for hints!) Will Suggests Suspect Had Long Planned to Die for Beliefs By PHILIP SHENON and DAVID JOHNSTON WASHINGTON, Oct. 3 — NYT Mohamed Atta, described by law enforcement officials as the ringleader of the Sept. 11 hijackers, left a will in which he said he wanted to be buried "next to good Muslims," with his corpse pointed east toward Mecca, the officials said. They said the will was found in a suitcase that Mr. Atta, a 33-year-old Egyptian, left at Logan Airport in Boston, where he boarded an American Airlines jet that later slammed into the north tower of the World Trade Center in New York, possibly with Mr. Atta at the controls. The will was dated April 1996, which would suggest that Mr. Atta had beenplanning for years to die for Islam and that he wanted his final actions to be understood as an effort to serve God. At his funeral, "everybody should mention God's name and that I died as a Muslim, which is God's religion," he wrote, adding that "everyone who attends my funeral should ask that I will be forgiven for what I have done in the past" — although "not this action."... Friends and other students have said that while studying in Germany, Mr. Atta underwent a profound change in his religious beliefs and temperament.He embraced Muslim fundamentalism and surrounded himself with other devout followers. ... Mr. Atta's will made clear that he wanted his funeral to be carried out according to strict Muslim tradition. "The people who will prepare my body should be good Muslims because this will remind me of God and his forgiveness," he wrote. "Those who will sit beside my body must remember Allah, God, and pray for me to be with the angels. "When you bury me, the people with whom I will be buried should be good Muslims. I want to face east toward Mecca." There were detailed instructions for the preparation of his body before burial.He wanted only "good Muslims" to wash his corpse, and he asked that his body then be wrapped in three pieces of white cloth "not to be made from silk or expensive material." He asked that "the person who will wash my body near the genitals must wear gloves on his hand so he won't touch my genitals." Mr. Atta, said to be painfully shy around women throughout his life, asked that women play no role in his funeral. "I don't want any women to go to my grave at all during my funeral or any occasion thereafter," he wrote. "I don't want a pregnant woman or a person who is not clean to come and say goodbye to me because I don't approve of it." (I don't know whether that stuff about women and unclean persons and not touching his genitals is religious, but what the hey, it seems very... unsecular. But maybe leave that out because I don't really know much about what the Koran says about women. I do have the impression it isn't very... complimentary, though. Atta sure didn't like women!)