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To: JRI who wrote (127885)	10/6/2001 1:01:39 PM
From: marginmike	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

I agree about the timing issue, but saying this is not a war against Islamic nations is non-sence. Are Good allies the Saudi's wont allow us to use are own air base on their soil to retaliate for attacks within our country? The problem is there are no moderate Arab nations IMHO, just less millitant. If you see the interviews in schools in Pakistan, SA, Egypt and other so called moderate states they are being taught hate and that America is their enemy. There was one guy talking about how genrous Bin laden was with charity, are these people even aware that the USA gave Afghan 150 million in aid? We are their enemies no matter how nice they are to us when we negotiate. I do agree that afghan is a sticky situation and needs to be taken out first. However the preperations for the long conflict to eradicate our enemies must begin. Either America steps up here, or we become another relic of history. If and when a terrorist nukes NY, there will be no recovery back to the way it was. We are way to suseptable having to many economic interests concentrated in to small an area. Frankly NY should be turned in to a giant fort because if Ny is every eliminated America as we know it will be a shell of what it is. IMHO

To: JRI who wrote (127885)	10/6/2001 3:36:09 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 436258

JRI, the US claims that they are Israel best friends .......... well I would say that Israel is US best friend in the ME and Asia. Some History ......... in 1956 the US was not Israel best friend but the French and UK who used Israel as the land force to accomplish THEIR take over of the Suez Canal .............. since all has been but forgotten. Do you know how many lives of Israeli soldier were lost in covert and open operation to probe the capabilities of the SAM missiles especially SAM 6 who were shooting down US Aircraft in SE Asia ?? How many Israeli soldier lost their life in bringing over anti aircraft radar from across the lines in Egypt that the US urgently needed?? Israel supplied the US with modern captured MIG's and tanks and armor and Rusian surveillance and communication gear. Russian gear that the US did not had a chance to get it's hands on. In 1973 Sharon wanted an preemptive strike against the Egyptians ...... the US strongly opposed and even voiced threats upon Israel not to attack .......... net result was that over Israeli 2000 soldier were killed within 48 hours as Egypt attacked and the Israelis were with out the necessary back up. Later in that war Sharon was the one that stood up against the US pressure ......... he paid for it, ...... over 200 of his fellow officers and soldiers were killed in the Chinese Farms near the Suez Canal ........ a sad event that even Israel wants forgotten. After this event Sharon pressed forward LEADING by himself the troops that crossed the Suez Canal and a day later with the help of another tank division turned the 1973 war from stalemate to victory in Egypt. ...... ( as a side line ....... do you remember who was leading the troops in Desert Storm ? ........ for sure not Mr. Powell) Israeli troops encircled the Egyptian 3rd mechanized Army ( the only potent force left of Egypt total army) and had free road into Cairo .......... but at the time the US wanted the Russians out of the ME and Egypt and ultimately the Israeli Army have done it for the US ........ the then President Nixon and Secretary of State Kissinger forced the Israelis to stop at 101 Km (60 miles) from Cairo (is was heard all over the military radio system) so that the US should come out as Egypt savior. Israel obeyed and paid the price in blood. .......... the rise of the murderous PLO was a direct result of the then US demand from Israel. Saudi Arabia response at the time was by generating the oil crisis of the 1970 and the following recession ........ oil prices shoot to the moon. Further in the early 1980 ths, Israel was the "real life" probing ground of US airplanes against the advanced MIG's and the Russian anti air missile system. The big air force conflict between Israel and Syria above Lebanon were something like 60 MIG's were downed proved to the Russian that they do not have air superiority. The 1973 war and other engagement before and after and the above defeat of Russian air fighters helped more to the fall of the "Evil Empire" than the lost war in Afghanistan. No one in the US said publicly THANK YOU to the state of Israel and to those for risked or lost their life to deliver the results, myself included. May be those things are forgotten in the US and I can attest there are no lousier PR people than the Jews and Israelis on this matter

To: JRI who wrote (127885)	10/6/2001 4:03:11 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 436258

JRI, first from the press Bush and Sharon reconciled and are best friends again ........ Sharon expressed a desire and stand if his desire will be crossed which was interpreted as an accusation in the Western World (read the Hebrew text and now it is clear) ........... fried nerves result in wrong conclusions .............. and the media just salivates for a disagreement they can hype. That is why when I posted you I asked "WHY" ...... meaning who is paying for it and with what.