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To: Math Junkie who wrote (53890)	10/6/2001 2:01:40 PM
From: w0z	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

"Another thing I'm curious about is, what would victory look like in bin Laden's mind?" I believe his immediate goal is religious war (Jihad) between Christianity and Islam. I belive he holds the mistaken belief that Western civilization would be defeated because Westerners are not willing to die for principles. One would think he should know better by looking at our Revolutionary War, the allies in WW's I & II, and even the passengers aboard Flight 93. This is not Vietnam...which may be his model. I'm quite sure his ultimate goal is a world of Islam only.

To: Math Junkie who wrote (53890)	10/6/2001 2:44:58 PM
From: Tito L. Nisperos Jr.	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

OT RE: " ... what would victory look like in bin Laden's mind?" Victory to him is to expand the Power he has now. He was a former subject of the King of Saudi Arabia whose Power or Rule is limited to a certain area. Bin laden in contrast has no defined territorial area --- he is in constant move from place to place --- but his followers are scattered all over the world always ready to follow his orders. I don't believe Bin Laden likes to sacrifice his life to please Allah in the afterlife. He must be secretly laughing that others sacrifice their lives for him. Now, what is in the mind of people like Atta who piloted the first plane in that Sep 11 incident, why they were willing to die for Bin Laden? Blindly believing of glory beside Allah in the afterlife is possible. The other is to sacrifice ones life for the sake of ones love ones. An example is Jalandoni, a brother of the founder of the Abu Sayyaf Cell of bin Laden in the Philippines. He was captured and is willing to tell the FBI all he knows about Bin Laden provided his Family is given Money and be safe somewhere else. He said he is not afraid to die for the sake of his family.

To: Math Junkie who wrote (53890)	10/6/2001 4:23:31 PM
From: Kirk ©	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

Man, that is probably the best question I've been asked or read on this subject! :) Another thing I'm curious about is, what would victory look like in bin Laden's mind? In other words, how would he know when he had won, and how does he imagine this coming about, in practical terms? My guess is he would see victory of sorts if Israel ceased to exist. Lets say he drove the US into its old isolationist mode where the Arabs could then overrun Israel. I would think he would call that a victory.