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To: Rarebird who wrote (78032)	10/6/2001 6:41:14 PM
From: The Barracuda™	Respond to of 116752

But were Russians placed in Concentration Camps and tortured on account of the fact that they were Russian, as Jews were? Stalin killed more people than did Hitler. He killed the rich for being rich, the intellectuals for being intellectual, the thoughtful for thinking etc. The slogans and bromides that a murderer uses to justify himself are not important.

To: Rarebird who wrote (78032)	10/6/2001 7:03:53 PM
From: Gord Bolton	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

No one came out of WWII without serious casualties or clean hands for that matter. That is the nature of war. Atrocities were committed by all sides. The concentration camps were but one chapter in a thousand miseries suffered by soldiers and civilians on all sides. The Jewish people were not the first or only to suffer bacause of race, ethnicity or religion. More important than anything is that people should learn from the mistakes of the past. The Nazi concentration camps were no doubt a living hell. They were not the worlds first experience with concentration camps. The British used concentration camps on the Boers in South Africa. geocities.com Perhaps you could compare and contrast the governing policies of the two 20th century survivors of concentration camps ie. The treatment of Palistinians in Israel and the treatment of blacks in Apartheid South Africa.

To: Rarebird who wrote (78032)	10/6/2001 8:13:05 PM
From: E. Charters	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 116752

Pointless to argue with these issues as they are made iconic for the sake of special treatment. But death is death. It matters not how it comes to you, really. In the Ukraine the German army blew it. They could have fought a popular war against Stalin but they just massacred civilians. They massacred far more Russian civilians than could there were Jews killed in WWII. Numbers count. The losses were not all soldiers in war. There were innocents killed all over Russia. It's a matter of historical record. If you want to say it counts more if a Jew gets killed in a concentration camp, than a Russian housewife who gets shot by a soldier, or an Armenian or Greek gets slaughtered by a Turk, then fine, that is your value system. I would expect that you value Jews more than Russians, Armenians or Greeks. It has been made an international cause celebre, but once in a while you should listen for an echo of harmony. If you don't hear it, perhaps you should tune the instrument a bit. As you say, when you expound its insight, when I expound its chatter. It might be better if you come down off your horse. Neither you nor your people are special. They are not the only ones who have been killed or suffered. It is something all races have shared over time. If you don't like it, stay away from concentration camps. EC<:-}