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To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	10/8/2001 1:31:42 AM
From: chuckj	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 2926

>flawed translations have done a great harm to Islam Sir you have no credibility here. If all of the Koran's "Stanic Versus," as Salmon Rushdi came to paraphrase, are simple errors in translations and are best to be read and understood in Arabic, then how come the Moslems who speak Arabic are the most backward in treating their women, in their laws and in their governments. Perhaps you should go there and enlighten them with the true Arabic that you have mastered. Based on my understanding of the Arabic language, the translations are certainly watered down to fool the Berkley liberal types. The Arabic language is much harsher. The english language's vocabulary is by far the largest of all languages and you claim that you still can not a word that translate a simple word in Koran!? The answer is you were looking for the most watered down word and you could not find it, perhaps it is your knowledge of english language that is deficient and not the english language. You can not fool anyone.

To: AmericanVoter who wrote (125)	10/8/2001 3:12:15 AM
From: uu	Respond to of 2926

Hi Amein: A couple of points. A) If it takes a rocket scientist with a PHD in the Arabic language to truly define what Quran means when it talks about its teachings, how do you think the vast majority of people (who like to call themselves Muslim) understand what Quran is talking about? Perhaps that is why Quran is a misunderstood holly book and that is why a vast majority of those who call themselves Muslims behave more like a bunch of mob psychopaths than true Muslims. They simply dont understand and misinterpret the teachings due to language barriers. if that is the case shouldnt true Muslims primary duty be to get rid of them? Just because the devil calls himself a Mulsim one can not assume that he is a Muslim... b) You state: > as far as divorce goes, in a "true" Islamic society, when the woman is divorced, she gets whatever she and the husband had agreed to before marriage, in effect, similar to a prenuptial agreement ... Can you think of "ANY" "True" Islamic society in the 21st century world which is implementing the teachings of Quran as you understand them and have expressed them in your post?! And if not why do you think the reasons might be? Could it be due to misunderstanding and misinterpreting of the Arabic language when trying to digest Quran's teachings? or is it that the Arabic language is OK and is understood perfectly and there might be something wrong with the teachings? You state: > in Islam it is the duty and responsibility of the woman's male relatives to take care of her in case of divorce... And what happens if the woman has no male relative?! You state: > ...that is why it is very important to know who one is marrying into... man and woman need to ask themselves a lot of questions and what ifs before agreeing to marry... not only that, they even need to document it in their marriage papers... Unless you are trying to joke with me, Can you think of any Islamic society that abides by the above rule?! When a man can have as many wives as he wants (4 legal and as many as temporary ones), and when Women are treated as they are sheep being exchanged for some other "stuff" (e.g. money, etc.), the notion of giving them a choice to say NO to a marriage is (at best) laughable. Just the other day I read that in Iran an eighty year old man very respected Muslim religious man had married a 14 year old girl! I wonder if that girl even knows how to read and write - let alone compose a document that could potentially be used as her prenaptual agreement!! Anyway, and with all due respect I feel eventhough you know yourself deep down the truth about the issues I am raising (And for now I am talking about Islam's treatment of Women), you continue to defend and rationalize the shortcomings using unrealitic, untrue, illogical arguments. Anyway, I am just too depressed now over these psychopaths sitting in some cave half way around the world calling on a bunch of other psychopaths to terrorize and destroy the lives of innocent people....All under the name Islam and for Islam... Regards,