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To: Jill who wrote (3575)	10/8/2001 6:32:14 PM
From: stockman_scott	Respond to of 281500

Ya gotta love some of these new cartoons... jewishworldreview.com

To: Jill who wrote (3575)	10/8/2001 6:38:54 PM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

In the three days between Hiroshima (August 6) and Nagasaki (August 9), there was plenty of time time for the Japanese to respond. Indeed, there was a response from Japan after Hiroshima - the Japanese admirals and generals refused unconditional surrender. The US knew that the sooner the second bomb was dropped, the sooner the war would be over. Every day in the Pacific American military men were dying. The sinking of the Indianapolis had a terrible effect on US morale. After a Japanese torpedo sank the Indianapolis on July 30, 1945, out of the 1,196 men aboard, about 900 escaped, but few life rafts. Over the next five days, shark attacks killed all but 317. This was just a couple of weeks before the atom bombs were dropped. If I was going to cry over anybody, I'd spare some tears for the crew of the Indianapolis, and the men who died on the Bataan Death March, and the men who were tortured and murdered in Japanese POW camps. And I'd shed some tears of joy for all the men who did not die invading Japan, and all the Japanese men, women and children who did not die in a land war in Japan. You can play "what if?" all you want, but you'll never have the real answer, so don't allow your imagination to convince you that your guess about what would have happened is the truth.

To: Jill who wrote (3575)	10/8/2001 7:34:10 PM
From: Selectric II	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

Joe Biden is hardly the most credible on this subject, even if he is the chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. He's the rude and arrogant jerk who read-down our chief weapons inspector for Iraq when he testified before Congress about his own experiences with Saddam's cheating on the agreement and bullying inspectors into not carrying out their mission. In response to the guy's remarks and recommendations, which as I recall were less then complimentary of the Clinton administration's steadfastness, Biden snidely responded, "Isn't that above your pay grade?" and dismissed him. Well, seems he was right and Biden wrong. I guess Biden gets unlimited Mulligans, eh? <edit> BTW, I agree with CB on the Japanese bomb issue.

To: Jill who wrote (3575)	10/9/2001 1:08:39 AM
From: Thomas M.	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 281500

What can you expect from someone who refers to Abe Lincoln as Abe Cohen? <<< The Smithsonian had planned to incorporate exhibits of the Enola Gay, the B-29 that delivered Little Boy to Hiroshima, information about the top secret development of The Bomb, and photographs of The Bomb's effects -- photographs never before seen by most Americans because the pictures were taken by Japanese Army photographers immediately after the smoke cleared. It was these formerly unavailable or classified photographs that the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars objected to, calling them Japanese propaganda. >>> ezone.org The truth is propaganda, according to some. Even the opinions of Churchill and Eisenhower are to be dismissed. In addition to the horrible war crime of Nagasaki, which was clearly rushed to beat the impending surrender by the Japanese, there also was a one thousand plane bombing raid which came after the actual Japanese surrender. Tom