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To: Ilaine who wrote (10633)	10/9/2001 1:12:50 AM
From: LLCF	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

<Karma is fate, retribution, which you deserve by your ethical actions. So you are the one who is saying that the people who are attacked deserved their fate. I am the one who told you that such a point of view is evil.> So now everyone who believes in Karma is evil?? Now you've got 1/2 the world mad at us! :) FWIW, in reality Karma spans many lifetimes... so you can rest easy. DAK

To: Ilaine who wrote (10633)	10/9/2001 1:30:31 AM
From: Gordon Cruikshank	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

Cobalt, Evil? Nothing better than a two value orientation (good-evil) system. Maurice is way more right than wrong? So where did the money come from if not from imported oil? G

To: Ilaine who wrote (10633)	10/9/2001 5:21:04 AM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 74559

dictionary.com Not retribution, just the totality of a person's life... <kar¡¤ma (kóÂm) n. Hinduism & Buddhism. The total effect of a person's actions and conduct during the successive phases of the person's existence, regarded as determining the person's destiny. Fate; destiny. Informal. A distinctive aura, atmosphere, or feeling: There's bad karma around the house today.> In NZ, taxpayers pay money to the government, which dishes it out to criminally hopeless people who have possession of children and get money for having that possession and then torture or destroy those children who grow up to attack society and the very people who innocently gave the money to the government, almost certainly in ignorance and innocence and probably with the best of intentions. Yet their efforts and money directly caused the horrors of those children's lives and the reflection back onto their own. That is not to say they deserved to be attacked by the grown up abused children, but the causal chain leads back to their payments. There is an infinitely complex causal chain wending its way back through the mists of time which has led to our WTC nightmare in 2001. My point is that untangling such a Gordian Knot is not simple. A swift slash with a sword might not be the final solution or the best answer either [so far there have been some UN staff killed according to some news report - I have no idea how they could think it sensible to stay in Kabul when a state of war exists there; many of the locals had the sense to flee]. My money is paying for the abuse of children in New Zealand and the bombing of UN staff, Osama and associates in Kabul. Consequences will flow from that and perhaps the causal chain of events will lead to horrible repercussions in future as well as the current horrors. The bubble economy has lead to a financially disastrous causal chain of events for hordes of people. Mq [breathing evenly and unmuddled, as always]