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To: carranza2 who wrote (10654)	10/9/2001 10:46:51 AM
From: Box-By-The-Riviera™	Respond to of 74559

ROFLMAO!!!!!!! You are hilariously insulting!!! Man... I bow before you! such deadly aim, such explosive force, a masterful strike launched with great style and consequential substance.... I fear a doctor may need to be called.

To: carranza2 who wrote (10654)	10/9/2001 10:52:17 AM
From: Ilaine	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 74559

Please name one revolution which was actually started by the wretched of the earth. Bin Laden is a perfect example of the people who really start revolutions. He's rich, he's got a college education, and his family has disowned him. Was Mao the wretched of the earth? Was Lenin? Was Castro? Was the American Revolution started by the wretched of the earth? The French Revolution? Take the trouble to look at things and you might learn something.

To: carranza2 who wrote (10654)	10/9/2001 12:02:15 PM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 74559

I don't always agree with CB, but I think this is valid: Revolutions are not started by the dispossessed, the wretched of the earth. The planners and leaders behind most successful revolutions, and most major terrorists groups, are not the poorest or most oppressed - these provide the cannon fodder, or the footsoldiers. The leaders tend to have somewhat more leisure to pursue their plans, and the education and resources to make those plans at least sufficiently workable to make a mark in history... as a lovely example, compare the relative successes of the English Peasant's Revolt and the Civil War. I think the 'second son' bit derives from reasonable psychological theory, too... although I really doubt it's a major factor in success. <w>