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To: Ilaine who wrote (10706)	10/9/2001 11:02:13 PM
From: puborectalis	Respond to of 74559

Diplomatic sources: U.S. to deal with Hamas after Taliban By Aluf Benn, Ha'aretz Correspondent PA Chairman Yasser Arafat arrives at an Arab League summit in Qatar on Tuesday. (Photo: AP) Diplomatic sources in Jerusalem said Tuesday that Israel has received word from American officials that the U.S. intends to carry out actions against the Palestinian militant groups Hamas and Islamic Jihad, as well as against Hezbollah. According to the information received, these organizations are to be "dealt with" as soon as the U.S. has completed operations in Afghanistan against Osama bin Laden, the prime suspect in the September 11 attacks in Washington, New York and Pennsylvania. Sources also said Tuesday that the time was fast approaching for Palestinian Authority Chairman Yasser Arafat to impose his rule on the Islamic militant organizations. According to the sources, the fact that Palestinian police suppressed a pro-bin Laden demonstration in Gaza on Monday - three Palestinians were killed by PA forces - was proof that, "when Arafat is pressured, he acts." However, the view in Jerusalem is that Arafat has yet to take a strategic decision to fight the militant Palestinian organizations, and that his actions were only cosmetic and designed to show support for the U.S. Israeli sources said that the PA has arrested several of the people on a list of suspected terrorists it received from Israel, but that those arrested enjoyed good conditions in jail and still had the ability to plan terror attacks. The Palestinian Authority asked Israel on Tuesday to supply it with riot equipment. Sources in the security establishment say that the request will be considered, depending on the PA's continued actions with regard to combating terror. Currently, there is no intention to supply the PA with riot gear. U.S. 'encouraged' by PA cease-fire steps The United States is encouraged by steps the Palestinian Authority has taken to bring about a cease-fire with Israel and believes those measures should continue, State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said Tuesday. He also said the Palestinians and the Israelis should continue cooperating on security issues to help insure a lasting halt of violence and terror. Boucher said Israel, for its part, should avoid provocative measures "that make this lasting calm more difficult to achieve." Specifically, he said, the IDF should cease incursions into Palestinian-controlled areas such as Hebron and the northern Gaza Strip. Boucher said the U.S. has been intensively engaged in efforts to restore calm and resume political dialogue. These efforts included telephone calls from Secretary of State Colin Powell to Prime Minister Ariel Sharon and Foreign Minister Shimon Peres over the weekend and to Yasser Arafat last week. "We have seen some steps that Palestinians have taken in the security area and we would urge both sides to continue to avoid provocations and continue their cooperation," Boucher said.

To: Ilaine who wrote (10706)	10/10/2001 6:10:08 PM
From: Maurice Winn	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 74559

<It's like the poor children you anguish over. The only way you know they will be raised right is to do it yourself - - otherwise, you simply have to allow others to muddle through and offer help and hope for the best. > My point was that paying people to cruelly treat children is the main problem. The paying happens by ignorance and indifference, not by malice, but the effect on the child is the same. Simply flicking some spare money to somebody who points to a child is not a good thing for that child. The person spending the money has to ensure they are not paying for something they don't actually want to happen. Children used to be adopted if the mothers didn't want them or couldn't afford to keep them. That removed children from mayhem. Now, children are a source of cash flow in Kiwiland. Those owning the children are all too often indifferent to them other than as a source of cash flow. When money sloshes around, it has an impact where it sloshes. <If any American president or diplomat ever thought he could help another country decide how to govern itself, he was a madman or a fool.> Actually, calling George Bush a madman or a fool is off-beam. I'm surprised at your disloyalty to the USA. You belong on that UnAmerican thread. I support and so do many other people, George's intention to help Afghanistan decide how to govern itself. Tony Blair is all in favour. So are many people. I don't think you are right that we are all madmen and fools. What we are going to do is replace the Taleban with a civilized government under a United Nations protectorate. The Afghans will decide the details of their governance, but it will be within acceptable international norms, with the Hague as final legal arbiter. Crimes against humanity will not go unpunished. Let's hear it for USS Enterprise and the Kiwi soldiers now in Afghanistan [and East Timor and elsewhere]. Mqurce PS: It is now well into October and despite high drama and huge economic shocks, the world's financial system is still upright and we have NOT had The Great Financial Collapse of 2001. A bursting dot.bomb and telecosmic collapse do NOT constitute a Great Financial Collapse [other than for those directly involved]. Uncle Al is printing plenty of money, cutting interest rates and the world is still ticking along nicely. Unemployment in the USA is still nearer 5% than 10% for goodness sakes! Like the sandwich board man who touts "The End of the World is Nigh", this thread will have to put up a sign "I'll be back to try again next century". Yes, I am getting cocky. Which will be fun for those who can barbecue me if the collapse happens the moment I press "Enter".