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To: E. T. who wrote (190510)	10/10/2001 5:33:42 AM
From: JDN	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 769667

Dear ET: I dont wish to get into an arguement here, but I am old enough to have actually been alive when the partition took place and all through the early years was aware of some of the things going on there. So, with that background, I just wish to say that your post is not entirely correct. Jews in fact did live in Palestine prior to and during the Partition. It is my understanding that any LAND acquired by Jews was in fact paid for. At the time the whole area was a dump and of little value to anyone, jew or arab. The immigrants from countries such as Russia and Germany with the financial support mainly of American Jews rebuilt the land into what it is today. A lot of blood, sweat and tears was involved. I am not actually taking sides here, just wanted to set the record a little straighter. JDN

To: E. T. who wrote (190510)	10/10/2001 10:35:40 AM
From: Thomas A Watson	Respond to of 769667

Well you are free to delude yourself with whatever beliefs you wish. Israel is and the Palestinians will continue to live in poverty until such time as they can clean up their act and/or other Arab countries treat them as equal human beings. You can go on and on about the past. You can justify hatred based on anything want. But if one is not realistic then the stupid suffer and also create problems for others. Israel has a very unique security situation and I expect them to act as anyone with common sense would act. When you listen to vacant liberal minds 5000 die or maybe 100,000 the next time. tom watson tosiwmee

To: E. T. who wrote (190510)	10/10/2001 10:49:28 AM
From: Neocon	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 769667

About 17% of the electorate in Israel is Arab, and Arab parties are represented in the Knesset. Arabs from the territories do not, of course, have a vote, but they often work in Israel, except when security concerns are over- riding. In the middle of the 19th century, about the same number of Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine, which was part of the Ottoman Empire. Although there were, of course, families among the Arabs that had lived there a long time, the majority of Palestinians emigrated into the region around the turn of the century or thereafter, just as the Zionist were increasing Jewish immigration. For a long time, there was peaceful coexistence, and some of the Zionists favored a "binational state". However, with the growth of Arab nationalism, a number of Arabs leaders were pro- Nazi, and alienated the Zionists. Further, the Arab powers committed to attacking the emergent state of Israel. They called for the Arab population to get out of the way, as they proposed to drive the Jews into the sea, and that is what started the outflow of refugees. It is true that factions of the Irgun used the situation to drive out some villages, so the Jews were not entirely free of guilt, but the main problem with the Arab leadership......... By the way, Arabs can re- claim land or get reparations if they can prove title. Also, the final status of the settlements are up for negotiation if the peace process can ever move forward........