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To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (128479)	10/10/2001 1:57:20 PM
From: Haim R. Branisteanu	Respond to of 436258

Very interesting approach to propaganda ----- remove the incitement and then rewrite the content of your site and publish it. ......... but some aspects still remain . Some part may shed more light in the desire to be a "martyr" and kill infidels ...... see the link provided as he was looking for the best spot where he wished to perhaps be granted martyrdom by Allah (swt). Finally, the call of "Allahu Akbar" that al-Baraa' was waiting for came from the leader and the Muslim army raced along with the lover of martyrdom al-Baraa' Ibn Malik. ........................ Al-Baraa' then called upon his men with words that was filled with courage and strength saying: "O people of Madina (Ansar), let not anyone of you think of returning to Madina. There is no Madina for you after this day. There is only Allah, then Paradise". ................. The martyrdom that was his only aim in this world, the martyrdom that he understood its value more than anyone else, w hich made him run after it. Al-Baraa' has lived with the motto: "Allah and then paradise", lighting the way for Muslims and showing them the way to paradise. We ask Allah to grant al-Baraa' his wish and to raise him among His Prophet, His Righteous Servants and among the Martyrs, and we ask Allah to produce from among our youth men who follow the steps of al-Baraa' and experience the beauty of martyrdom! AND THAT IS ON A CANADIAN WEBSITE !!!!!!!!!!!!! ............ I think people in North America just do not get it! youngmuslims.ca

To: Haim R. Branisteanu who wrote (128479)	10/10/2001 4:34:04 PM
From: pater tenebrarum	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 436258

Haim, i realize it won't be easy to get rid of them, and will probably take a long time (during which new challenges will arise most likely). but nevertheless i think we have to do whatever we can to remove the perceived causes - that would render terrorist acts futile, since once there are no demands left to satisfy, there can be no meaningful grass-roots support for the terrorists. simply put, most people in the world want the same things from life, and when discontent rises to a level where it produces people prepared to engage in suicidal terrorist attacks, it stands to reason that there must be a large pool of people feeling they have nothing to lose. in the course of the development of our Western civilization a great many horrible wars were instigated by religious fanaticism...at one point the Christian Church was an equally fertile hotbed for fundamentalist radicals as Islam now appears to be. so attitudes can and do change over time...all it takes is peace and prosperity.