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To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (6422)10/10/2001 7:15:44 PM
From: Hawkmoon  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 23908
 
Of couse they do... And they completely fabricated those gruesome photos as well, right?? Including painting the hands of that Palestinian murderer with red paint to make it look like blood??

masada2000.org

You're PATHETIC, Len... Simply pathetic.. I could care less what propaganda they write with respect to Israel's case.. I posted that to show you the gruesome photos, not the rhetoric.

Just look at the flippin' photos and any rational human being would see all they need to see. These were NOT palestinian troops committing these atrocities, but common everyday Palestinian civilians..

This was a MOB.. A group of vigilantes who murdered in cold blood, two unarmed Israeli reservists who mistakenly took the wrong road on their way to weekend duty. And after being confronted by crowds, these soldiers fled to the nearest local Palestinian police station hoping to find some shelter. The mob broke down the door and proceded to mutiliate these two guys... And after mutiliating them, Aziz Salha, sticks his hands in their blood and shows them off to the crowd like he's done something heroic.

But hey.. if you don't like the Masada website, why don't you look at this link and see him holding up his hands THIS TIME...

inlandempireonline.com

As you'll note, he has confessed his complicity in the murder, and the Israelis have arrested 14 others.

Btw, I guess we'll NEVER know how much brutality the Palestinians are suffering from Arafat after yesterday's murder of stone-throwing youths...

He's banned the press from covering the riots...

LOL!!!

Hawk



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (6422)10/10/2001 10:18:00 PM
From: ajs  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 23908
 
Munich's Moral
Bush could do worse than to think about Sharon's warning.

BY SETH LIPSKY
Wednesday, October 10, 2001 12:01 a.m. EDT

"Palestinian terror got tremendous support and encouragement by the United States. To me, it reminds [of] what happened to Czechoslovakia at the end of the 1930s. Then the world to prevent war--and it was not even for peace, it was for preventing war--sacrificed one of the democracies. In order to prevent war, or to postpone war, avoid war, and we know exactly what happened."

That warning, by Ariel Sharon, was not uttered last week. And it was not spoken in private. It was issued early in 1989 in an interview with The Wall Street Journal, which printed more than two million copies and circulated them all over the world. Plenty of eyebrows were raised by the interview, which filled nearly a page of the Journal and ran under the headline "The Soliloquy of Ariel Sharon." But the reference to Munich was not the source of the controversy.

On the contrary, at the time there was a good bit of sober agreement. The problem, as Mr. Sharon articulated it, was not just external factors, though they were serious, as America was just beginning its dialogue with--or, as many saw it, capitulation to--the Palestine Liberation Organization. It was doing so at a time of great military buildup in the Arab world. What was more dangerous, Mr. Sharon asserted, was that the whiff of appeasement was coming at a time when Israel itself was exhibiting signs of weakness.

The interview has long been remembered because so much of what Mr. Sharon said came to pass. He had warned pointedly of the likely consequences of the military buildup then being undertaken by the Iraqi strongman, Saddam Hussein (the invasion of Kuwait followed a year and a half later). What brought the interview to mind this week was the brouhaha that erupted over the prime minister's latest warning against any attempt to take Israel for granted or do with her what an earlier generation of leaders did with the Czech democracy.



It was predictable that there would be no shortage of people jumping on the premier for his latest remarks. Thomas Friedman of the New York Times promptly piped up with a column quoting President Nixon as telling Henry Kissinger that Golda Meir "must trust" Nixon "completely," which would have made her the first person in history to do so. "Attention, Mr. Sharon," Gen. Friedman barked. "When we are fighting for our freedom there is only one thing for Israel to say: How can we help? Period."
That's a choice bit of stentorianism, given how derisive Mr. Friedman and his colleagues in the peace camp have been to those who have been arguing that America's basic position toward the only free democracy in the Middle East should have been: How can we help? Instead, Mr. Friedman egged on Secretary of State Madeleine Albright and the other architects of the Clinton appeasement spent the 1990s trying to pressure Israel to compromise with Mr. Arafat on the theory that he was a worthy partner of the Jewish democracy and really did want peace. As he supposedly proved at Oslo.

So let it be said that there are those of us who reckon that Mr. Sharon was, in fact, helping America and President Bush by illuminating for all of us, again, the moral of Munich. He did not do so out of the blue. Within days of the Sept. 11 attack, senior State Department officials began signaling that they wanted Israel's national unity government to authorize a meeting between its foreign minister, Shimon Peres, and Mr. Arafat. It also came after an egregious intervention by the German foreign minister, Joschka Fischer, the former radical activist who was a booster of Mr. Arafat during an earlier time of terror. It also followed the extraordinarily ill-timed leak of the State Department's willingness to see a Palestinian Arab state set up alongside Israel. Mr. Sharon, moreover, has made this point so often over the years that one can only suppose that those throwing a fit about it this time have other issues.

All in all, it's not a bad time for the American leadership to be thinking about the meaning of Munich. A central feature of the appeasement that reached its climax there, after all, was that most of the figures who participated in it didn't believe they were committing acts of folly. It was only Edouard Daladier, France's premier, who seemed to glimpse reality; when, on his return to France, he was greeted by cheering crowds, he uttered his famous aside, "The fools."

The feature of the appeasers is that they were trying to please. Mr. Sharon himself has often talked of that phenomenon--the danger of the desire to please. Yet the Nazis had a way of upping the ante after each step the free world would take to accommodate. It's a technique the Arab enemies of Israel have learned well.



Nor were the Czechs the problem. They, after all, were kept off to the side in the diplomacy that decided their fate, just as Israel has been shunted off from a public role in the coalition that is going to fight our common enemy. An excruciating glimpse of the Czech spirit is provided in William Shirer's "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich." He quotes John Wheeler-Bennet's description of the eruption of joy and relief that engulfed the Mother of Parliaments when Chamberlain reported that he had just received an invitation to meet with Hitler, Mussolini and Daladier.
Jan Masaryk, the Czech minister in London and son of the founder of the Czechoslovak Republic, was actually looking on from the diplomatic gallery and was said to be unable to believe his eyes. He reportedly called on the prime minister later to ask whether his country, which would have to make the sacrifices, would be invited to Munich. They said it would not, for Hitler wouldn't stand for it. The account quoted by Mr. Shirer has it that Masaryk looked at Chamberlain and the foreign secretary and struggled to keep control of himself. "If you have sacrificed my nation to preserve the peace of the world," he finally said, "I will be the first to applaud you. But if not, gentlemen, God help your souls."

Masaryk was making neither a personal nor political threat. He was making the point that they were playing with the fate of nations and they had to be right. They were, of course, wrong, and their reputations were doomed for all time. President Bush could have reacted otherwise than by sending out his spokesman to dismiss Mr. Sharon's concerns as "unacceptable." He could have sent him a note saying that he came into office speaking of the need for America's leaders to comport themselves with humility and that he's been giving a good bit of thought as to how to avoid making the errors that Messrs. Chamberlain and Daladier made in an earlier era.

Mr. Lipsky is a contributing editor of The Wall Street Journal. His column appears Wednesdays.

opinionjournal.com



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (6422)10/11/2001 2:08:25 AM
From: Thomas M.  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 23908
 
Maybe some Iraqi was just returning the anthrax where he bought it. -g-

<<< According to a Senate Committee Report of 1994 {1}: From 1985, if not earlier, through 1989, a veritable witch's brew of biological materials were exported to Iraq by private American suppliers pursuant to application and licensing by the U.S. Department of Commerce. Amongst these materials, which often produce slow, agonizing deaths, were: Bacillus Anthracis, cause of anthrax. Clostridium Botulinum, a source of botulinum toxin. Histoplasma Capsulatam, cause of a disease attacking lungs, brain, spinal cord and heart. Brucella Melitensis, a bacteria that can damage major organs. Clotsridium Perfringens, a highly toxic bacteria causing systemic illness. Clostridium tetani, highly toxigenic Also, Escherichia Coli (E.Coli); genetic materials; human and bacterial DNA. Dozens of other pathogenic biological agents were shipped to Iraq during the 1980s. The Senate Report pointed out: "These biological materials were not attenuated or weakened and were capable of reproduction." "It was later learned," the committee revealed, "that these microorganisms exported by the United States were identical to those the United Nations inspectors found and removed from the Iraqi biological warfare program." These exports continued to at least November 28, 1989 despite the fact that Iraq had been reported to be engaging in chemical warfare and possibly biological warfare against Iranians, Kurds, and Shiites since the early 80s. >>>

globalpolicy.org

Tom



To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (6422)10/11/2001 6:44:28 PM
From: Emile Vidrine  Read Replies (5) | Respond to of 23908
 
Israel and the terrorist attack!

supplysideinvestor.com