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To: cosmicforce who wrote (31928)	10/11/2001 1:30:52 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

Cosmic I was not just talking about maids or farm workers. Is the fact that the NBA is 90% or more black and the NFL at least about 50% black (both of these figures are my own estimates not hard data) due to racial discrimination against whites, asians, and hispanics? Is the fact that more engineers are men then women do to discrimination? At most partially but probably not to much any more. Men tend to be more interested in engineering and in the type of training and education you need to be an engineer then women. They also are usually more interested in participating in team sports. So is it unjust discrimination when a university has more men on its sports teams then women? Not in my opinion. As for farm workers and maids that is not racism as much as it is the fact that a disproportionate number of Hispanic immigrants do not have the skills and education (or status as a legal US resident) needed to get higher paying jobs. There is no law or even social custom or business practice that keeps the hotel maid you talk about from reaching for a higher position. If she is stuck where she is it is because of her own lack of skills. This may not be a good thing, but it isn't due to restrictions put in place by racists. Tim

To: cosmicforce who wrote (31928)	10/11/2001 1:31:43 PM
From: Michael M	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

You appear to be obsessed with "racism". People do the kind of work they do for all kinds of reasons. What's available, what their qualifications are, family tradition, peer influences, lifestyle preferences, personality, willingness to work. We have a friend who came up from Costa Rica about three years ago. Started out blowing leaves - got on with a nursery/landscaping business - now has his own small landscaping business. Smart guy. He happens to like his work. About a year after he came here, his wife came up. The day after she arrived he brought her over to meet us. This bright young woman already had business cards offering her services cleaning homes and caring for vacant vacation homes. No doubt in my mind this couple will own rental property of their own in a few years. And you can bet someone will be whining about being left behind on some racial basis. My point is the guy started with the lowliest job and was glad to have it. It never occurred to him that he had to stay in that job.