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To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (4393)	10/11/2001 6:54:39 PM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

As a history wonk, I can say this, Ike: your notes continue to provide good lessons. What is your read on India? I know it has been a major thorn in the side of Pakistan, but is it capable of maintaining a like stance against terrorism? It has a rich history of assassinating some of its better leaders because they could not control its extremists. Is their leadership capable of holding the fort now, or is it a weak link in the nuclear chain?

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (4393)	10/11/2001 7:32:54 PM
From: maceng2	Respond to of 281500

Something any student of history should notice. our blood has flown like water, it is for this we are a martial race..born to serve with honor and distinction BTW when I see and hear the bagpipes blowing, well...I just always bubble up in tears of emotion, I'm even worse if I had a beer or two....LOL. No wonder those guys in Scotland have used such a device to bring in recruits to fight wars -g- Just been wondering around the net. No doubt some Muslims have been very strong supporters of a civilized life. Thankyou for your "input", I was getting worried for a moment -g- Just hoping we stay on the same side. My best regards, pearly.

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (4393)	10/11/2001 7:33:50 PM
From: ratan lal	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 281500

our rich heritage..someone who thinks that 'they can put a gun on us' has little knowledge or regard of our tradition, culture, loyalty and scrifice.. No one doubts the muslim loyalty (to allah) and sacrifice (suicide missions on sept. 11)......

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (4393)	10/11/2001 9:42:09 PM
From: LLLefty	Respond to of 281500

Mr. Latif Since I drift in and out of this thread, I have noted just a few of your fascinating commentaries about the two major sub-continent parties. As one who had lengthy close encounters with both countries in the 60s and early 70s, I was struck myself with the cultural similarities of both nationalities and in particular that of the military officers. Both inherited to a large degree--if truth be told--some of the British virtues of fair play. Certainly the military of both countries were about as "pukka" as the best from Sandhurst, where so many were trained. You mentioned something about U.S Republican administrations feeling closer to Pakistani leadership personalities (than, I assume to that of India.) And that is so, despite the reality that Pakistan has failed to institute democratic institutions as opposed to India's Caesarian leadership under the Nehrus. Why? The fact is that personalities played something of a part. I can't quantify it and it's worth a study to see if personalities of major players influences policy decisions. (Will Bush's looking into Putin's soul influence policy?). Republican Administrations did, indeed, enjoy dealing with straight-shooting Pakistani leadership as opposed to the awkward dealings with India. There are some wonderful examples sprinkled about in memoirs and books that help spice up dry history. In his autobiography, Dean Acheson says that when he meet Nehru, he felt that Nehru talked to him as if he were lecturing to a public audience. Kennedy wrote Nehru at one time that Nehru seemed opposed to violence except when India started it. Of a meeting with Nehru, Kennedy told aides that talking to Nehru was like talking to a fog. Now mind you I have great respect for India; It has held together despite serious centrifugal forces in its 50-year history and has done a tiny bit to ease the burden of the dalits. Pakistan, to me, is a country that has failed to live up to its promise. But in cricket.....

To: IQBAL LATIF who wrote (4393)	10/12/2001 9:27:53 AM
From: carranza2	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Iqbal, thank you for the history. No doubt Pakistan was full of brave soldiers during the first half of the 20th Century. No doubt it has a glorious martial tradition. Questions: Is the present military sufficiently secular so as to be able to rationally control civilian use of The Bomb? How serious are the inroads that Islamic fundamentalism may have made into the armed forces? Should the opponenents of Islamic terror be concerned?