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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Neocon who wrote (32159)10/12/2001 8:33:35 PM
From: thames_sider  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
[the British Empire's] purpose was to maintain stability, order, and peace amongst the heathen, to relieve famine, provide medical assistance, to abolish slavery, to construct the physical and the psychological groundwork for "civilization," and to protect the mother country.

Put like that, it sounds extremely noble. And likely to garner huge resentment... who wants a stepfather who came in by force, however good his claimed or apparent aims...?
But I find it hard to disagree with that interpretation of Kipling's views: I'd question the now-perjorative terms used, such as 'bringing peace among the heathen', but I think it does encapsulate his feelings well.

What it misses, IMO, is his sense that it wouldn't work, that empire would have to pass, that even if the mission was noble it was neither pre-ordained nor necessarily right. And as for celebrating empire, well: see Recessional, again - no one truly the the interpreter, propagandist, and chief apologist of the Imperialist elite could ever have written such a poem - for the Diamond Jubilee of Victoria, Empress of India, no less...

Imperialism, predicated on deeply-held political, racial, moral, and religious beliefs which sustained a feeling of innate ... superiority, as being primarily a moral responsibility: it might also be profitable (an aspect of things emphasized in Evangelical circles), but it had itself to be maintained, defended, and protected--from rival world powers and from the rebellious governed

So, do you see why I saw fit to post that poem? With all its hinterland of meaning, and the attitudes it both acknowledges and satirises...?
[Remember that this is the BR, too... it wasn't just a feint.]



To: Neocon who wrote (32159)10/12/2001 10:35:45 PM
From: Dayuhan  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 82486
 
One wonders how Kipling and others of his day fit British management of the opium trade into this framework of altruism. I suppose that they simply pretended it wasn't happening, and that the vast fortunes of the Victorian aristocracy were the result of British virtue and divine providence.

The human capacity for self-deception is very nearly unlimited. This has not changed since Kipling's day.