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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: TimF who wrote (32310)	10/12/2001 10:03:15 PM
From: Solon	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

We are talking about values, I find it hard to see how we would do that without using words that deal with values That is what I just said. And I told you that values were conditional/subjective. The guy being shot doesn't want or value the same thing as the guy pulling the trigger. But this is going to confuse you...sorry. I could instead of using the word murder, type a phrase, or maybe a whole paragraph to try and be more specific about what I am talking about. Maybe "deliberate agressive killing of innocent people" with agressive includeing in this context the idea of being unconnected with defense but rather involving the initiation of force. Some people would say there are times when that is morally right. I would not. You don't get it, do you?. "innocence" is a value judgment. Many people think the witch hangings were "murder". The witches did, eh??? So were the hangings absolutely right? or were they absolutely wrong? or were they just relative? I guess the kids with the rope around their neck simply weren't sure... "3 - "Non-existent" ?!? Not universally agreed apon sure but there are plenty of moral ideas people consider absolute" Such as? What people? ALL people??