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To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (4694)10/13/2001 1:24:45 AM
From: Climber  Respond to of 281500
 
Glenn,

Very good perspective, although the Khobar Towers is at the Dhahran air base in the Eastern Province, not in Riyadh.

(I spent many an evening drinking Buds at the USAF officers' club there in the 1980's.)

The House of Saud's days are numbered. The government and 30,000 plus royal family are corrupt, in-bred, and out of touch with the Wahabiist masses.

The rank-and-file Saudi policeman is sympathetic to Bin Laden

I've been detained in jail by these guys. I've seen the result of internal uprisings in the Kingdom where hundreds of citizens and dozens of police have been killed by the Saudi National Guard. The clock is ticking, the ever-younger populace is largely unemployed and disillusioned, and the authorities rule by fear.

As for the Taliban, I'm reminded of a conversation I had with a well-placed Saudi friend when I lived in the Kingdom. He was perplexed and astonished that the US was providing arms and financing to the mujahedin battling the Soviets in Afghanistan. (These included many Saudi fighters, by the way, a couple of whom I got to know, but that's another story.) My friend told me that when the mujahedin were done with the Soviets they would turn against us and take their fight to the USA. It would be their "jihad," to "go all the way."

The CIA and many US foreign policy wonks knew that this was a wide-spread sentiment in the Gulf region in the early 1980's.

Climber



To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (4694)10/13/2001 6:29:20 AM
From: Scoobah  Read Replies (6) | Respond to of 281500
 
This Is a Religious War

October 7, 2001

By ANDREW SULLIVAN

Perhaps the most admirable part of the response to the conflict that
began on Sept. 11 has been a general reluctance to call it a religious
war. Officials and commentators have rightly stressed that this is not a
battle between the Muslim world and the West, that the murderers are not
representative of Islam. President Bush went to the Islamic Center in
Washington to reinforce the point. At prayer meetings across the United
States and throughout the world, Muslim leaders have been included
alongside Christians, Jewish People and Buddhists.

The only problem with this otherwise laudable effort is that it doesn’t
hold up under inspection. The religious dimension of this conflict is
central to its meaning. The words of Osama bin Laden are saturated with
religious argument and theological language. Whatever else the Taliban
regime is in Afghanistan, it is fanatically religious. Although some
Muslim leaders have criticized the terrorists, and even Saudi Arabia’s
rulers have distanced themselves from the militants, other Muslims in
the Middle East and elsewhere have not denounced these acts, have been
conspicuously silent or have indeed celebrated them. The terrorists’
strain of Islam is clearly not shared by most Muslims and is deeply
unrepresentative of Islam’s glorious, civilized and peaceful past. But
it surely represents a part of Islam—a radical, fundamentalist part—that
simply cannot be ignored or denied.

In that sense, this surely is a religious war—but not of Islam versus
Christianity and Judaism. Rather, it is a war of fundamentalism against
faiths of all kinds that are at peace with freedom and modernity. This
war even has far gentler echoes in America’s own religious conflicts—
between newer, more virulent strands of Christian fundamentalism and
mainstream Protestantism and Catholicism. These conflicts have ancient
roots, but they seem to be gaining new force as modernity spreads and
deepens. They are our new wars of religion—and their victims are in all
likelihood going to mount with each passing year.

Osama bin Laden himself couldn’t be clearer about the religious
underpinnings of his campaign of terror. In 1998, he told his followers,
“The call to wage war against America was made because America has
spearheaded the crusade against the Islamic nation, sending tens of
thousands of its troops to the land of the two holy mosques over and
above its meddling in its affairs and its politics and its support of
the oppressive, corrupt and tyrannical regime that is in control.”
Notice the use of the word “crusade,” an explicitly religious term, and
one that simply ignores the fact that the last few major American
interventions abroad—in Kuwait, Somalia and the Balkans -- were all
conducted in defense of Muslims. Notice also that as bin Laden
understands it, the “crusade” America is alleged to be leading is not
against Arabs but against the Islamic nation, which spans many
ethnicities. This nation knows no nation-states as they actually exist
in the region—which is why this form of Islamic fundamentalism is also
so worrying to the rulers of many Middle Eastern states.

Notice also that bin Laden’s beef is with American troops defiling the
land of Saudi Arabia—the land of the two holy mosques,” in Mecca and
Medina. In 1998, he also told followers that his terrorism was “of the
commendable kind, for it is directed at the tyrants and the aggressors
and the enemies of Allah.” He has a litany of grievances against Israel
as well, but his concerns are not primarily territorial or procedural.
“Our religion is under attack,” he said baldly. The attackers are
Christians and Jewish People. When asked to sum up his messageto the
people of the West, bin Laden couldn’t have been clearer: “Our call is
the call of Islam that was revealed to Muhammad. It is a call to all
mankind. We have been entrusted with good cause to follow in the
footsteps of the messenger and to communicate his message to all
nations.”

This is a religious war against “unbelief and unbelievers,” in bin
Laden’s words. Are these cynical words designed merely to use Islam for
nefarious ends? We cannot know the precise motives of bin Laden, but we
can know that he would not use these words if he did not think they had
salience among the people he wishes to inspire and provoke. This form of
Islam is not restricted to bin Laden alone.

Its roots lie in an extreme and violent strain in Islam that emerged in
the 18th century in opposition to what was seen by some Muslims as
Ottoman decadence but has gained greater strength in the 20th. For the
past two decades, this form of Islamic fundamentalism has racked the
Middle East. It has targeted almost every regime in the region and, as
it failed to make progress, has extended its hostility into the West.
From the assassination of Anwar Sadat to the fatwa against Salman
Rushdie to the decadelong campaign of bin Laden to the destruction of
ancient Buddhist statues and the hideous persecution of women and
homosexuals by the Taliban to the World Trade Center massacre, there is
a single line. That line is a fundamentalist, religious one. And it is
an Islamic one.

Most interpreters of the Koran find no arguments in it for the murder of
innocents. But it would be naive to ignore in Islam a deep thread of
intolerance toward unbelievers, especially if those unbelievers are
believed to be a threat to the Islamic world. There are many passages in
the Koran urging mercy toward others, tolerance, respect for life and so
on. But there are also passages as violent as this:

“And when the sacred months are passed, kill those who join other gods
with God wherever ye shall find them; and seize them, besiege them, and
lay wait for them with every kind of ambush.” And this: “Believers! Wage
war against such of the infidels as are your neighbors, and let them
find you rigorous.” Bernard Lewis, the great scholar of Islam, writes of
the dissonance within Islam: “There is something in the religious
culture of Islam which inspired, in even the humblest peasant or
peddler, a dignity and a courtesy toward others never exceeded and
rarely equaled in other civilizations. And yet, in moments of upheaval
and disruption, when the deeper passions are stirred, this dignity and
courtesy toward others can give way to an explosive mixture of rage and
hatred which impels even the government of an ancient and civilized
country—even the spokesman of a great spiritual and ethical religion—to
espouse kidnapping and assassination, and try to find, in the life of
their prophet, approval and indeed precedent for such actions.” Since
Muhammad was, unlike many other religious leaders, not simply a sage or
a prophet but a ruler in his own right, this exploitation of his
politics is not as great a stretch as some would argue.

This use of religion for extreme repression, and even terror, is not of
course restricted to Islam. For most of its history, Christianity has
had a worse record. From the Crusades to the Inquisition to the bloody
religious wars of the 16th and 17th centuries, Europe saw far more blood
spilled for religion’s sake than the Muslim world did. And given how
expressly nonviolent the teachings of the Gospels are, the perversion of
Christianity in this respect was arguably greater than bin Laden’s
selective use of Islam. But it is there nonetheless. It seems almost as
if there is something inherent in religious monotheism that lends itself
to this kind of terrorist temptation. And our bland attempts to ignore
this—to speak of this violence as if it did not have religious roots—is
some kind of denial. We don’t want to denigrate religion as such, and
so we deny that religion is at the heart of this. But we would
understand this conflict better, perhaps, if we first acknowledged that
religion is responsible in some way, and then figured out how and why.

The first mistake is surely to condescend to fundamentalism. We may
disagree with it, but it has attracted millions of adherents for
centuries, and for a good reason. It elevates and comforts. It provides
a sense of meaning and direction to those lost in a disorienting world.
The blind recourse to texts embraced as literal truth, the injunction to
follow the commandments of God before anything else, the subjugation of
reason and judgment and even conscience to the dictates of dogma: these
can be exhilarating and transformative. They have led human beings to
perform extraordinary acts of both good and evil. And they have an
internal logic to them. If you believe that there is an eternal
afterlife and that endless indescribable torture awaits those who
disobey God’s law, then it requires no huge stretch of imagination to
make sure that you not only conform to each diktat but that you also
encourage and, if necessary, coerce others to do the same. The logic
behind this is impeccable. Sin begets sin. The sin of others can
corrupt you as well. The only solution is to construct a world in which
such sin is outlawed and punished and constantly purged—by force if
necessary. It is not crazy to act this way if you believe these things
strongly enough. In some ways, it’s crazier to believe these things and
not act this way.

In a world of absolute truth, in matters graver than life and death,
there is no room for dissent and no room for theological doubt. Hence
the reliance on literal interpretations of texts—because interpretation
can lead to error, and error can lead to damnation. Hence also the
ancient Catholic insistence on absolute church authority. Without
infallibility, there can be no guarantee of truth.

Without such a guarantee, confusion can lead to hell.

Dostoyevsky’s Grand Inquisitor makes the case perhaps as well as anyone.
In the story told by Ivan Karamazov in “The Brothers Karamazov,” Jesus
returns to earth during the Spanish Inquisition. On a day when hundreds
have been burned at the stake for heresy, Jesus performs miracles.
Alarmed, the Inquisitor arrests Jesus and imprisons him with the intent
of burning him at the stake as well. What follows is a conversation
between the Inquisitor and Jesus. Except it isn’t a conversation
because Jesus says nothing. It is really a dialogue between two modes
of religion, an exploration of the tension between the extraordinary,
transcendent claims of religion and human beings’ inability to live up
to them, or even fully believe them.

According to the Inquisitor, Jesus’ crime was revealing that salvation
was possible but still allowing humans the freedom to refuse it. And
this, to the Inquisitor, was a form of cruelty. When the truth involves
the most important things imaginable—the meaning of life, the fate of
one’s eternal soul, the difference between good and evil—it is not
enough to premise it on the capacity of human choice. That is too great
a burden. Choice leads to unbelief or distraction or negligence or
despair. What human beings really need is the certainty of truth, and
they need to see it reflected in everything around them—in the cultures
in which they live, enveloping them in a seamless fabric of faith that
helps them resist the terror of choice and the abyss of unbelief. This
need is what the Inquisitor calls the “fundamental secret of human
nature.” He explains:

“These pitiful creatures are concerned not only to find what one or the
other can worship, but to find something that all would believe in and
worship; what is essential is that all may be together in it. This
craving for community of worship is the chief misery of every man
individually and of all humanity since the beginning of time.”

This is the voice of fundamentalism. Faith cannot exist alone in a
single person. Indeed, faith needs others for it to survive—and the more
complete the culture of faith, the wider it is, and the more total its
infiltration of the world, the better. It is hard for us to wrap our
minds around this today, but it is quite clear from the accounts of the
Inquisition and, indeed, of the religious wars that continued to rage in
Europe for nearly three centuries, that many of the fanatics who burned
human beings at the stake were acting out of what they genuinely thought
were the best interests of the victims. With the power of the state,
they used fire, as opposed to simple execution, because it was thought
to be spiritually cleansing. A few minutes of hideous torture on earth
were deemed a small price to pay for helping such souls avoid eternal
torture in the afterlife. Moreover, the example of such
government-sponsored executions helped create a culture in which certain
truths were reinforced and in which it was easier for more weak people
to find faith. The burden of this duty to uphold the faith lay on the
men required to torture, persecute and murder the unfaithful. And many
of them believed, as no doubt some Islamic fundamentalists believe, that
they were acting out of mercy and godliness.

This is the authentic voice of the Taliban. It also finds itself
replicated in secular form. What, after all, were the totalitarian
societies of Nazi Germany or Soviet Russia if not an exact replica of
this kind of fusion of politics and ultimate meaning? Under Lenin’s and
Stalin’s rules, the imminence of salvation through revolutionary
consciousness was in perpetual danger of being undermined by those too
weak to have faith—the bourgeois or the kulaks or the intellectuals. So
they had to be liquidated or purged. Similarly, it is easy for us to
dismiss the Nazis as evil, as they surely were. It is harder for us to
understand that in some twisted fashion, they truly believed that they
were creating a new dawn for humanity, a place where all the doubts that
freedom brings could be dispelled in a rapture of racial purity and
destiny. Hence the destruction of all dissidents and the Jewish
People—carried out by fire as the Inquisitors had before, an act of
purification different merely in its scale, efficiency and Godlessness.

Perhaps the most important thing for us to realize today is that the
defeat of each of these fundamentalisms required a long and arduous
effort. The conflict with Islamic fundamentalism is likely to take as
long. For unlike Europe’s religious wars, which taught Christians the
futility of fighting to the death over something beyond human
understanding and so immune to any definitive resolution, there has been
no such educative conflict in the Muslim world. Only Iran and
Afghanistan have experienced the full horror of revolutionary
fundamentalism, and only Iran has so far seen reason to moderate to some
extent. From everything we see, the lessons Europe learned in its bloody
history have yet to be absorbed within the Muslim world. There, as in
16th-century Europe, the promise of purity and salvation seems far more
enticing than the mundane allure of mere peace. That means that we are
not at the end of this conflict but in its very early stages.

America is not a neophyte in this struggle. the United States has seen
several waves of religious fervor since its founding. But American
evangelicalism has always kept its distance from governmental power. The
Christian separation between what is God’s and what is Caesar’s—drawn
from the Gospels—helped restrain the fundamentalist temptation. The last
few decades have proved an exception, however. As modernity advanced,
and the certitudes of fundamentalist faith seemed mocked by an
increasingly liberal society, evangelicals mobilized and entered
politics. Their faith sharpened, their zeal intensified, the temptation
to fuse political and religious authority beckoned more insistently.

Mercifully, violence has not been a significant feature of this
trend—but it has not been absent. The murders of abortion providers show
what such zeal can lead to. And indeed, if people truly believe that
abortion is the same as mass murder, then you can see the awful logic of
the terrorism it has spawned. This is the same logic as bin Laden’s. If
faith is that strong, and it dictates a choice between action or eternal
damnation, then violence can easily be justified. In retrospect, we
should be amazed not that violence has occurred—but that it hasn’t
occurred more often.

The critical link between Western and Middle Eastern fundamentalism is
surely the pace of social change. If you take your beliefs from books
written more than a thousand years ago, and you believe in these texts
literally, then the appearance of the modern world must truly terrify.
If you believe that women should be consigned to polygamous, concealed
servitude, then Manhattan must appear like Gomorrah. If you believe that
homosexuality is a crime punishable by death, as both fundamentalist
Islam and the Bible dictate, then a world of same-sex marriage is surely
Sodom. It is not a big step to argue that such centers of evil should be
destroyed or undermined, as bin Laden does, or to believe that their
destruction is somehow a consequence of their sin, as Jerry Falwell
argued. Look again at Falwell’s now infamous words in the wake of Sept.
11:

“I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the
feminists, and the gays and lesbians who are actively trying to make
that an alternative lifestyle, the A.C.L.U., People for the American
Way—all of them who have tried to secularize America—I point the finger
in their face and say, ‘You helped this happen.”
And why wouldn’t he believe that? He has subsequently apologized for the
insensitivity of the remark but not for its theological underpinning. He
cannot repudiate the theology—because it is the essence of what he
believes in and must believe in for his faith to remain alive.

The other critical aspect of this kind of faith is insecurity. American
fundamentalists know they are losing the culture war. They are terrified
of failure and of the Godless world they believe is about to engulf or
crush them. They speak and think defensively. They talk about renewal,
but in their private discourse they expect damnation for an America that
has lost sight of the fundamentalist notion of God.

Similarly, Muslims know that the era of Islam’s imperial triumph has
long since gone. For many centuries, the civilization of Islam was the
center of the world. It eclipsed Europe in the Dark Ages, fostered great
learning and expanded territorially well into Europe and Asia. But it
has all been downhill from there. From the collapse of the Ottoman
Empire onward, it has been on the losing side of history. The response
to this has been an intermittent flirtation with Westernization but far
more emphatically a reaffirmation of the most irredentist and extreme
forms of the culture under threat. Hence the odd phenomenon of Islamic
extremism beginning in earnest only in the last 200 years.

With Islam, this has worse implications than for other cultures that
have had rises and falls. For Islam’s religious tolerance has always
been premised on its own power. It was tolerant when it controlled the
territory and called the shots. When it lost territory and saw itself
eclipsed by the West in power and civilization, tolerance evaporated. To
cite Lewis again on Islam: “What is truly evil and unacceptable is the
domination of infidels over true believers. For true believers to rule
misbelievers is proper and natural, since this provides for the
maintenance of the holy law and gives the misbelievers both the
opportunity and the incentive to embrace the true faith. But for
misbelievers to rule over true believers is blasphemous and unnatural,
since it leads to the corruption of religion and morality in society and
to the flouting or even the abrogation of God’s law.”

Thus their horror at the establishment of the State of Israel, an
infidel country in Muslim lands, a bitter reminder of the eclipse of
Islam in the modern world. Thus also the revulsion at American bases in
Saudi Arabia. While colonialism of different degrees is merely political
oppression for some cultures, for Islam it was far worse. It was
blasphemy that had to be avenged and countered.

I cannot help thinking of this defensiveness when I read stories of the
suicide bombers sitting poolside in Florida or racking up a $48 vodka
tab in an American restaurant. We tend to think that this assimilation
into the West might bring Islamic fundamentalists around somewhat,
temper their zeal. But in fact, the opposite is the case. The temptation
of American and Western culture—indeed, the very allure of such
culture—may well require a repression all the more brutal if it is to be
overcome. The transmission of American culture into the heart of what
bin Laden calls the Islamic nation requires only two
responses—capitulation to unbelief or a radical strike against it. There
is little room in the fundamentalist psyche for a moderate
accommodation. The very psychological dynamics that lead repressed
homosexuals to be viciously homophobic or that entice sexually tempted
preachers to inveigh against immorality are the very dynamics that lead
vodka-drinking fundamentalists to steer planes into buildings. It is not
designed to achieve anything, construct anything, argue anything. It is
a violent acting out of internal conflict.

And America is the perfect arena for such acting out. For the question
of religious fundamentalism was not only familiar to the founding
fathers. In many ways, it was the central question that led to America’s
existence. The first American immigrants, after all, were refugees from
the religious wars that engulfed England and that intensified under
England’s Taliban, Oliver Cromwell. One central influence on the
founders’ political thought was John Locke, the English liberal who
wrote the now famous “Letter on Toleration.” In it, Locke argued that
true salvation could not be a result of coercion, that faith had to be
freely chosen to be genuine and that any other interpretation was
counter to the Gospels. Following Locke, the founders established as a
central element of the new American order a stark separation of church
and state, ensuring that no single religion could use political means to
enforce its own orthodoxies.

We cite this as a platitude today without absorbing or even realizing
its radical nature in human history—and the deep human predicament it
was designed to solve. It was an attempt to answer the eternal human
question of how to pursue the goal of religious salvation for ourselves
and others and yet also maintain civil peace. What the founders and
Locke were saying was that the ultimate claims of religion should simply
not be allowed to interfere with political and religious freedom. They
did this to preserve peace above all—but also to preserve true religion
itself.

The security against an American Taliban is therefore relatively simple:
it’s the Constitution. And the surprising consequence of this separation
is not that it led to a collapse of religious faith in America—as weak
human beings found themselves unable to believe without social and
political reinforcement—but that it led to one of the most vibrantly
religious civil societies on earth. No other country has achieved this.
And it is this achievement that the Taliban and bin Laden have now
decided to challenge. It is a living, tangible rebuke to everything they
believe in.

That is why this coming conflict is indeed as momentous and as grave as
the last major conflicts, against Nazism and Communism, and why it is
not hyperbole to see it in these epic terms. What is at stake is yet
another battle against a religion that is succumbing to the temptation
Jesus refused in the desert—to rule by force. The difference is that
this conflict is against a more formidable enemy than Nazism or
Communism. The secular totalitarianisms of the 20th century were, in
President Bush’s memorable words, “discarded lies.” They were
fundamentalisms built on the very weak intellectual conceits of a master
race and a Communist revolution.

But Islamic fundamentalism is based on a glorious civilization and a
great faith. It can harness and co-opt and corrupt true and good
believers if it has a propitious and toxic enough environment. It has a
more powerful logic than either Stalin’s or Hitler’s Godless ideology,
and it can serve as a focal point for all the other societies in the
world, whose resentment of Western success and civilization comes more
easily than the arduous task of accommodation to modernity. We have to
somehow defeat this without defeating or even opposing a great religion
that is nonetheless extremely inexperienced in the toleration of other
ascendant and more powerful faiths. It is hard to underestimate the
extreme delicacy and difficulty of this task.

In this sense, the symbol of this conflict should not be Old Glory,
however stirring it is. What is really at issue here is the simple but
immensely difficult principle of the separation of politics and
religion. We are fighting not for our country as such or for our flag.
We are fighting for the universal principles of our Constitution—and the
possibility of free religious faith it guarantees. We are fighting for
religion against one of the deepest strains in religion there is. And
not only our lives but our souls are at stake



To: Glenn Petersen who wrote (4694)10/13/2001 11:11:00 AM
From: JohnM  Respond to of 281500
 
Another LA Times article that is extremely helpful, this time trying to explain the absence of certain kinds of cooperation from the Saudis.

Thanks,

John