To: Solon who wrote (32526 ) 10/13/2001 7:12:15 PM From: briskit Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 Solon, funny disclaimer at the end. I was reading your "Islam on t.v." post and wanted to know if you are Muslim? But in regard to this post, what element of humanity since written history would you call "unnatural" therefore not subject to moral relativism? And on what grounds? Drugs have been around forever, adults cavorting with minors, various affairs and benign infidelities, wars, intrigues of all kinds, conquests appear in written history. Every behavior I can think of appears "as a natural element of humanity." The people involved would say nothing negative about their behavior. People on the other side, however, claim negative associations with those elements. A story appeared in our paper about a counselor recommending sex as therapy to an adult client. It was consensual, the client agreed, but another therapist called it abuse. Now the first therapist is facing 20 years. Sex of many kinds is naturally occurring. Not all naturally occurring elements, plants, organisms, genetic properties, isotopes, etc. are particularly desirable for human consumption. Alcoholism is attributed to a genetic pre-disposition. A tricymie on the 21st or 23rd chromosome occurs naturally. While I am not arguing against homosexuality in this post, I am saying that your point in favor of homosexuality on the grounds of it being "natural" needs to go much further. I realize it is a broad statement of a general nature, but, no offense intended, I think a sweeping dismissal of religious morality (which I am not arguing for at this point) which invokes "natural elements of humanity" needs a bit of work. Einstein lamented the morphing of relativity into the very handy and maleable "relativism," which allows room for most anything to be o.k. or good for someone, hence above analysis or critique.