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To: E. Charters who wrote (78440)10/14/2001 12:43:16 PM
From: maceng2  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116753
 
Thanks for discussion and facts. The WTC tragedy was like 10 or more Mitchells going into the side though. It would be an extreme test of any building. Didn't the WTC have roof tanks and sprinkler system throughout?



To: E. Charters who wrote (78440)10/14/2001 1:02:52 PM
From: long-gone  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 116753
 
<<Chrysotile long fibre asbestos does not cause asbestosis. That has been proved. The fibre is huge and easily exits the body by phagocytes and anyway can be locked in by binders. The health hazard even for bound crocidolite (short fibre asbestos) with a good binder is vanishingly small. They use it in brake pads and you don't see mechanics who blow out brakes every day with lung disease. >>

Here-in you spread a lie. Were all the fibers in brakes / clutches only chrysotile you would be correct, but there's the rub.

Maybe the makers of brakes & clutches are more picky about what goes into their parts now than 70-30 years ago, but as many after market parts come from 3rd world countries two-bit "here today gone tomorrow" holding companies, one might wonder about those as well. I'm not saying anything should be different except perhaps information.

A mechanic's epitaph: 'Someone has got to warn these kids'

Friday, November 17, 2000

By ANDREW SCHNEIDER
SEATTLE POST-INTELLIGENCER REPORTER

"These kids working at gas stations have got to understand that there's still asbestos in brakes. They can't see it, feel it, smell it or taste it, but it's going to kill them just like it's killing me."

Twelve days after making this statement, Patrick Dennis Kine died. Asbestos, probably from the 5,000-plus brake jobs he'd done during 20 years as a mechanic, killed him.

The 65-year-old Olympia resident was a clown. A real one. Red nose and all.

He had a sense of humor that permeated everything he did. Even the agonizing death he was fighting from mesothelioma -- a rare form of asbestos-caused cancer that destroys cells that line the chest or abdominal cavity.

"With all this asbestos in me, I'm probably fireproof," Kine joked. "I can eat all the hot chilies there are."

After two decades of running his own auto repair shop, he spent the next 26 years teaching others how to do it. He taught mechanics to hundreds of youths in Spokane's West Valley School District, at Spokane Community College and at the Shelton High School near Olympia. At one point, he was president of the local Washington Education Association.



Photos

P-I photographer Renee C. Byer spent many hours with Patrick Kine, an auto mechanic from Olympia who succumbed to lung-related diseases last August. See her work in a special photo gallery accompanying this story.

It was a tightness in his chest, a hard time getting a full gulp of air, that brought him to the doctor in March of 1998.

"First I thought I had a bad cold, or the flu, but I couldn't shake it," Kine recalled.

Some X-rays showed how wrong he was.

"The next morning I was flat on my back in a hospital and they were draining this yellow gunk out of my right lung. Lots of it," he said.

Ultrasounds and CT scans followed immediately.

"I had this huge mass between my right lung and my ribs."

A biopsy to get a sample of the mass became major surgery.

"They started up front," Kine said, pointing to his chest, "and wound up going all they way around to the back and up over the shoulder blade. They were trying to get around the mass, but it was everywhere. It had grown through and all around my ribs."

He had mesothelioma.

"I know what it was. It was in the handouts I gave to my students. It was what I warned them about; it was the ultimate harm that asbestos can do to you if you're sloppy working with brakes and clutches," he said. "And now I'm dying from it."

See also:

Cancer victim changed his own brakes for years

Asbestos miners, producers have fought bans

Nation's mechanics at risk from asbestos

Most mechanics don't know -- or care -- about asbestos

Asbestos: An ongoing investigation

Graphic (60k): Asbestos test results
The survival rate for mesothelioma is usually eight to 12 months. Kine made it almost two years.

He fought hard. Chemotherapy, radiation treatments, dozens of them. They slowed the growth of the cancer, but didn't stop it.

"I'm not afraid of dying, but I'm terrified of leaving Donna alone," Kine said, fighting back the tears as he thought of his wife of 42 years.

"I don't want to be a burden but I really wanted to watch them live their lives," he said, speaking of his daughter, two sons and four grandchildren.

Always the clown, he quickly changed the subject.

"The worst thing about the chemotherapy is that it changes the way things that you loved all your life taste," Kine said.

"My favorite was shortbread animal crackers, but now they taste terrible. Coffee, which I used to almost inhale, tastes ghastly. Life is just funny."

He thought back to when he first learned that asbestos in brakes can kill.

"I guess it was in '83 or '84," he recalled. "We got these fliers from the EPA (Environmental Protection Agency) or OSHA (Occupational Safety and Health Administration) or some government agency, telling how dangerous asbestos was and how much was contaminating the average guy doing a brake job.

"It just didn't make sense. I'd been messing with asbestos for years and so had every other mechanic I knew. No one ever told us it could kill you."

While he was still debating how much attention to pay to the federal warnings, the National Automotive Education Association sent him another batch of pamphlets for his students.

"They were serious. This asbestos was bad stuff. I started think back to all the old mechanics I knew, but I didn't know a lot of old mechanics. Most of them had died of breathing problems or lung cancer and some of them never smoked," he said.

Quickly, he added asbestos dangers to his curriculum.

He remembers telling his students that medical researchers said an exposure lasting only one or two months can result in mesothelioma developing 30 or 40 years later.

"I don't think it sunk in," he said. "These kids were convinced they'd never die, especially not from something they couldn't see. But I kept hammering at them."

He became an auto-repair evangelist, spreading the word of the dangers of the invisible fibers every time he stopped at a gas station.

"God, they were bullheaded. I remember when I was young. I thought nothing could harm me."

Long before he was diagnosed, he wondered about his own exposure.

During the 20 years he ran his own repair shop in Spokane -- Grand Prix Motors -- he was doing four or five major brake jobs a week.

"There was asbestos dust all over the place," he said. "We'd sand the brakes, file them, drill them, grind them and we and everything around us would be covered in that black grit.

"I'd blow my nose and it would be black. I'd wash my hair and the tub would be black."

He said it wasn't just the brakes that had asbestos.

"It was all over the vehicle," he said. "It was in the clutches, the exhaust and intake manifold, the cylinder heads, lots of gaskets. It was everywhere," Kine said.

He was angry that the manufacturers of the cars and the replacement brakes and clutches never warned mechanics of the dangers.

"Not a damn word. Not one. Never," he recalled. "Even in the early '90s the parts salesmen were saying it was much ado about nothing.

"How could they possibly keep something so deadly a secret?"

He didn't understand, he said, why the government went silent.

"I was just amazed. The government was so serious about getting the word out about the dangers from asbestos in the '80s. Then it just stopped, silence, like someone turned off the faucet," he said.

Like almost everyone else, Kine believed that the government had banned asbestos, that new cars no longer used it and replacement parts were now asbestos-free.

"I'd go these gas stations and see the kids covered in dust. Some of the brake boxes still said asbestos on them. Most didn't, but I could tell it was full of those fibers," he said.

"The kids would just shrug. They probably thought I was an old fool."

But Kine didn't quit trying.

"It became easier to hammer my point home after the surgery," he said. "I'd lift by shirt and show them the scars and then they'd pay attention."

Kine was most proud when his students came back to show off their wives and kids.

"I couldn't help wondering, 'Do they have it? Will they get it? Do they remember what I warned them about?'

"My students were not the ones that were going to MIT, but they were going to be damn good mechanics. But would the job kill them?"

As the tumor grew, Kine became weaker, but he kept fighting it off. He had one more thing he wanted to do. In June, the National Model Railroad Association and Circus Model Builders were holding their national convention together in Boise.

Trains and circuses, two of Kine's loves. For years, as Red Nose the Clown, he entertained hundreds of children.

"These go together because in the old days all the circuses traveled by railroad," he said. His collection of model trains was extensive and he wanted to show them off one more time.

Kine went to Boise, clown costume and all, wheeling his oxygen bottle behind him.

"I had to go and I did. It was hard, but it was worth it," he said.

The disease was taking its toll.

"You can't walk anywhere. You've got to plod and I've never been a plodder," Kine said. "My right lung doesn't do anything at all and I've got less than 30 percent function in my left lung. And it's never going to get any better. I'm going to be treading water the rest of my life."

On Aug. 13, he went into the hospital for the last time. He was suffocating from the fluids in his lungs. The cancerous mass had grown so large it was blocking his intestines.

That night he talked about the importance of getting the word out that asbestos was still out there.

"I hear the burst of an air hose and I cringe," Kine said. "Even with my eyes closed I can see the clouds of dust and now, when it's too late, I can almost see the invisible fibers of asbestos. I know it's in there.

"I wish I could do more, but I'm going to die here. EPA, OSHA, someone has got to warn these kids that they're working with death. If the government doesn't do anything, no one will."

Kine died on Aug. 25.

In his will he wrote that he wanted neither funeral nor memorial service.

"I feel they work a hardship on those left behind. I want my relatives to have a good old-fashioned wake instead . . . buy a keg or two, prepare food, celebrate my life with a big party. Cab fare will be provided as needed."

Parties were held in Spokane and Olympia.
seattlep-i.nwsource.com



To: E. Charters who wrote (78440)12/7/2001 1:17:10 AM
From: maceng2  Respond to of 116753
 
(OT)King Concrete

John Knapton's passion for concrete has taken him places. He helped develop a fireproof lining for the Channel Tunnel. He invented a device to stop vandals knocking over gravestones. He is tribal chief of a village in Ghana. Now Lloyd's, the insurance group, has employed him to assess the collapse of the World Trade Center. His job is to find out if the design was at fault in any way. Ian Sample asks the professor of structural engineering at Newcastle University what happened inside the towers on 11 September, and learns a thing or two about the delights of concrete

Why did Lloyd's choose you for the World Trade Center job?

It's very simple: I was on the Jimmy Young Show on BBC Radio 2 talking about the collapse of the World Trade Center. I have no delusions of grandeur. You can publish any number of scientific papers in internationally refereed journals, but if you're on the Jimmy Young Show, you're the man.

What is your role?

They need advice on how the buildings fell down, whether anyone else's incompetence contributed to the collapse, and whether the buildings performed well or not.

How will you find that out?

We're trying to get permission to visit the rubble that's been removed from Ground Zero and is now on one of New York's islands. We need to go quickly because once the snow comes the evidence may not be as valuable. I'm also very concerned because I am hearing that the steel columns are being melted back down and turned into scrap.

Is there anything in particular that you want to investigate?

I have seen pictures showing that some of the fireproofing material on the columns came off during the fire, which it shouldn't have. The three external sides of the columns were sprayed with concrete and the internal side was coated with vermiculite. All the vermiculite seems to have come off in sheets, while the concrete has stayed on. If the vermiculite came off very early, that will have shortened the time it took for the buildings to collapse, which means a lot of people might have died as a result. If the fire protection had worked better, it is possible the buildings could have stayed standing. There have been major fires in other tall buildings around the world and they haven't collapsed.

What else will you be looking for?

The buildings had these great 18-metre steel trusses spanning from the perimeter columns to the core. It was unusual to have no columns between the perimeter columns and the core. One of the things they were concerned about when they designed the buildings was the vibration from wind that might be transmitted through the exterior façade into the beams, which would then shake the people inside. So they put in a special elastic shock-absorbing system to stop the vibration being transferred down the trusses from the external columns to the floor. That could be an indication of a structural weakness, because when you prevent the transmission of forces from one element of the building to another you are taking away some of its strength.

Aren't you really just trying to get Lloyd's off the hook?

Not so much off the hook. They are going to pay the insurance, but they may be asking those who they deem contributed to the collapse, through their negligence or whatever, to reimburse them. Lloyd's are liable for $3.6 billion, on which they have reinsured, and they are going to lose $1.9 billion.

How bad will that be for Lloyd's?

The strength of Lloyd's goes back to the 1906 earthquake in San Francisco, when they were the only insurance company that paid up, so they have a tremendous reputation for that and they want to keep that reputation. In the end the World Trade Center collapse will do them no harm, because when things like this happen all it really does is extend the size of the insurance market. Everybody pays for it in the end and they will get their money back.

How long will your investigation last?

I imagine at least 10 years.

Do you think 11 September will affect how buildings are built or even where businesses are located?

It depends on who you talk to. The architects who specialise in tall buildings are saying it will make no difference at all, which is nonsense. There are people in the Sears Tower in Chicago who have left their jobs. A lot of people are very nervous about being in a tall building because they realise things can happen that could trap them. I think it was the sight of people taking that awful decision to jump. We all put ourselves in that position--do I burn to death, or do I jump? It's been known for a long time that there is no way fire crews can fight a fire in a tall building above about 15 stories. One of the issues in the World Trade Center fire was that people were told to stay put. That is the normal advice, to stay above it until it puts itself out. They never plan to evacuate that kind of building in its entirety. Also, people were not told that while they couldn't use the upper lifts, they could use the lower lifts.

Where does your expertise in concrete come in?

The fire protection was fundamentally concrete, and that's an issue. The floors were concrete too and it was the weight of the concrete that killed everyone. I don't think the steel was a major issue at all. The debate is going to be about the use of concrete.

You've devoted your whole career to concrete. Convince me it's an interesting material . . .

We all own some concrete. It's the most owned material in the world, and just about the cheapest. It costs less than £20 a tonne. That's because the essential ingredient in concrete is cement, the world's cheapest glue. You can pay a few pounds for a very large bag of cement. Compare that to the price of buying UHU or Araldite, where you pay pounds for a tiny tube. It's also fascinating from a technical viewpoint. If you break it open, it has lots of different things going on in it, all working sometimes with one another and sometimes against one another.

But isn't concrete really about depressing grey tower blocks?

It is, and that's one of the reasons it's fascinating because it has been used inadvisedly in various contexts. But where it has been used appropriately, it's made a great impact. I would argue that concrete has had more of an impact on eradicating contagious diseases than the entire domain of medical research, simply through the construction of sewers in cities. You've got to explain to people that concrete isn't that awful concrete jungle material. It's actually something that is of incredible value to humanity.

Concrete's been around for ages. Don't you think we should have come up with something better by now?

It's absolutely right for the job because it's cheap. Simple as that. And the reason it's cheap is because of the cement. It's basically cement with dirt. I think it's incredible that we invented it, because you have to take clay, limestone and chalk, dry them out to form a powder, mix them together and set fire to it to form an ash. Grinding that ash to dust gives you cement. How would anyone think of that?

Who did think of it?

It was invented by Joseph Aspdin from Leeds in 1824. He went through that process. He patented it, and the very first cement factory was constructed on the banks of the Tyne in Gateshead.

Did he know what he was doing?

No, he was basically fiddling about. But we've had similar materials for thousands of years. The natural cement that for example the Romans used was simply the product of volcanoes. If you take the clinker, the ash that comes out of volcanoes, and grind it, it makes a very effective cement.

But isn't it becoming obsolete?

Absolutely not. There are lots of things being developed to make it more useable. I'm doing research with polypropylene fibres--little short things that you get in a bedspread --that give concrete incredibly good fire protection. After the Channel Tunnel caught fire a couple of years ago, they repaired it using concrete with these polypropylene fibres. If it happens again the concrete won't shatter, as it did the first time, which was really bad news for the firemen who went in. Quite a few were injured.

How did you get involved in gravestones?

Since the mid-1950s, graves have tended to be just a piece of granite or something that sits on a tiny rock base and sticks out of the ground. The problem is they are not very stable and can be pushed over. So we invented a gravestone anchor called the Newcastle Anchor, which is basically a corkscrew. You drive the corkscrew into the ground and a little device connects it to the base of the gravestone. It prevents people pushing it over.

Do people often push over gravestones?

Absolutely. It's very common. Every now and then you see a newspaper headline saying vandals have gone in and knocked over 50 headstones. It's a regional thing--Liverpool, Manchester, the north-east, Glasgow, some parts of London. It's seasonal too--you get a lot around this time of year.

You've been called "the king of concrete". How did you earn that title?

It comes from another aspect of my life--I'm a chief in Ghana.

Please explain . . .

In the 1970s I had a PhD student, Kwesi Andam, from a village called Ekumfi-Atakwa in Ghana. When he went back after completing his PhD we kept in touch, and in 1993 he said he wanted to show me his village and how destitute it was. We got there and it was awful. Children were dying, no one had jobs, people were malnourished--nothing exceptional by African rural standards, but none the less desolate. Kwesi was a professor in Ghana by then and he had been trying to help in the village for a number of years. He wanted to do all sorts of things--bring in education, health, clean water. So I said OK, let's form a team. I had in mind that we would raise a few hundred pounds. In fact, since then we have raised £140,000.

How did you come to be chief?

They did it simply because I had been a few times and the Ghanaians are great people. To them, someone who keeps going back is someone to be respected. I committed myself to looking after the interests of that village, whenever called upon, 24 hours a day for the rest of my life. I am now "Nana Odapagyan Ekumfi the First". And my son will take over--it's a hereditary chiefdom.

What's it got to do with civil engineering?

We're basically moving the village forward with civil engineering: building a school and library, putting in a borehole, increasing the stability of the houses. The difference is that other people would be managing the work and then seeking others to carry it out. We can do it ourselves. We're like a one-shop operation.


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