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To: Copperfield who wrote (5006)	10/14/2001 7:25:16 PM
From: 49thMIMOMander	Respond to of 281500

Finally, a link with some substance.

To: Copperfield who wrote (5006)	10/14/2001 7:50:02 PM
From: Frederick Langford	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

I sure hope so... The key is to let their oil rot...... I don't care if our government throws a pile of money at Alternate Fuel research and development, we drill in Alaska/Gulf of Mexico, or make better deals with Russia. But, we GOTTA do something. These despicable people have squandered their oil fortunes on Race Horses, Palaces, and toys, while we have to listen to how 'poor and destitute' the people of the Mid-East are. If we need oil, we d@am sure better find a better place to get it, or these animals will have us by the 'short hairs' just as they do now. Bush and Cheney have got to know this if I do... With the conflicts of interest in the White House regarding oil, Bush and Cheney will have plenty of opportunities to prove whether they are true Statesmen or not. Why seize assets with one hand and pay them with the other? Fred

To: Copperfield who wrote (5006)	10/14/2001 9:41:41 PM
From: SirRealist	Read Replies (4) \| Respond to of 281500

"Japan and China and Korea would like us to supply energy to them," says Victor Ishaev, head of administration for the vast Khabarovsk region of far eastern Russia. Japan is currently mainlining SA oil. We like Iraqi oil. Ergo our involvement in protecting the two largest economies going these days. China, Russian and Indian populations will also have a big hand in how it all plays out. Some here have made the point repeatedly about Kazakhstan's oil reserves. If you check the timetables, SA is almost past peak production and Kazakhstan has it all uphill from here. Which caused me to conclude that Afghanistan and Pakistan, plus some other -stans, can look forward to something that could not be gained before - economic alternatives that are sustainable for a few decades, which no foreign power could ever afford via mere aid. Explaining long term alternatives to folks living day-to-day is nigh impossible. But it should be well understood by the rest of us why SA's elites act as they do.... repressing opposition nearby and funding it as far from its borders as it can.... and isn't it convenient that the worst of it takes place in the region whose output will vie for SA's customers in the next two decades? That doesn't get said aloud too much because our corporations profit from this and our military has been hired to protect them.... for now.