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To: IN_GOD_I_TRUST who wrote (33017)	10/14/2001 11:23:25 PM
From: Mitch Blevins	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 39621

>>Firstly, what about: 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." This is the first messianic promise. That Satan would strike Messiah's heel, but Messiah would crush Satan's head. Crushing someones head would have only one effect, right?<< My mind boggles at how much you are willing to read into that passage. Let's put your verse within a little more context: 14 So the LORD God said to the serpent, "Because you have done this, "Cursed are you above all the livestock and all the wild animals! You will crawl on your belly and you will eat dust all the days of your life. 15 And I will put enmity between you and the woman, and between your offspring and hers; he will crush your head, and you will strike his heel." 16 To the woman he said, "I will greatly increase your pains in childbearing; with pain you will give birth to children. Your desire will be for your husband, and he will rule over you." I think you are reading too much metaphor into this. Livestock? Wild Animals? Crawl on belly? Strike a heel? Sounds like an actual serpent to me. The garden of Eden story never even mentions Satan, only a serpent. In fact, serpents are not equated with Satan until the very last book of the Bible. Do you read some kind of metaphor into the "pains in childbirth" passage also? This story is interesting to compare with the Koran version. In the Koran, the serpent (shaitan) actually deceives Eve, but in the Bible version the serpent doesn't lie, but only encourages rebellion. Paraphrasing from the Bible: God tells Adam and Eve that if they eat from the tree of knowledge, they will surely die that day. But the serpent sets them straight. He says that if they eat it their eyes will become open to good and evil, like God, and they will not surely die. The serpent says that then God would be afraid that they will eat from the tree of life and live forever like God. What happens? Just like the serpent said... They did not die (lived for almost a millenium, if you believe the account). Their eyes were opened (to be like God). And God was so afraid that that they would eat from the tree of life that He threw them out of the garden. The serpent was right on about what would happen, and only God lied in that story.