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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5121)	10/14/2001 11:35:58 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Btw, I saw the Jordanian ambassador to the US and Mexico this evening on some talk show. I just about flipped my wig when he tried to claim that so much of tension is the fault of the "intolerable" occupation of the west bank... Well, don't you know by now that it's all Israel's fault, whatever it is? Reminds me of August 1990. I was watching some highbrow talkshow with a number of prominent Arabs and Arab-Americans, one of whom was Mr. Halaby, Queen Noor's father, discussing Iraq's invasion of Kuwait. Within ten minutes the conversation had shifted to the outrage of Israel's occupation of the West Bank, as if that topic exerted a strong magnetic force on all sources of outrage. And I'm sitting there thinking, Saddam Hussein just invaded Kuwait, and how exactly is this Israel's fault? Could someone explain this to me? It reminded me of watching a family quarrel where the dynamics bore no resemblance to the topics being discussed, but are determined purely by the emotional baggage of the participants.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5121)	10/14/2001 11:37:57 PM
From: MSI	Respond to of 281500

"But I will submit that we can't conserve ourselves into higher economic growth" Not so - even tho' we hear that a lot for a small example, I've increased my economic growth through conservation, by buying more efficient appliances for my new house ... With other alt energy hardware, my house is more valuable and my equity has increased, along w. lower monthly energy bills. Essentially its intellectual-property value-added whenever you design a better more efficient house or system, and people are willing to pay for it Multiply that by 20 million people next year or two ... In any event, I agree with you on the combo of tech, conservations, and targeted consumption, which IMO will have great political impact on the ME, as well as positive economic impact domestically.