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To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5313)	10/15/2001 4:47:54 PM
From: Nadine Carroll	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

And that's the reality of slavery. The white man did not introduce slavery to Africa. Indeed, even today it is practiced there. The fact was that conflict existed before the white colonists every stepped foot on African soil. One tribe would conquer the other, kill the men, and enslave the women and children. All the whites did was create a market for something that the black rulers felt was an expendable, and treacherous, commodity, the male warriors of the tribes they conquered. The Arabs and the whites did create much of slave market. So instead of just taking enough slaves for home consumption, you had whole kingdoms on the coast who made their livings raiding the interior for slaves for the export markets. The Arabs and Europeans didn't have to go get them; they just sat on the coast with trade goods.

To: Hawkmoon who wrote (5313)	10/15/2001 8:30:45 PM
From: Bilow	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 281500

Hi Hawkmoon; Re: "I ain't saying it's right... I'm just saying that's the way it worked in those historical times." Here's a commentary on the subject: HISTORY OF THE PELOPONNESIAN WAR Thucydides, 431BC, in translation Chapter XVIL Sixteenth Year of the War - The Melian Conference - Fate of Melos ... When you speak of the favour of the gods, we may as fairly hope for that as yourselves; neither our pretensions nor our conduct being in any way contrary to what men believe of the gods, or practise among themselves. Of the gods we believe, and of men we know, that by a necessary law of their nature they rule wherever they can. And it is not as if we were the first to make this law, or to act upon it when made: we found it existing before us, and shall leave it to exist for ever after us; all we do is to make use of it, knowing that you and everybody else, having the same power as we have, would do the same as we do. Thus, as far as the gods are concerned, we have no fear and no reason to fear that we shall be at a disadvantage. But when we come to your notion about the Lacedaemonians, which leads you to believe that shame will make them help you, here we bless your simplicity but do not envy your folly. The Lacedaemonians, when their own interests or their country's laws are in question, are the worthiest men alive; of their conduct towards others much might be said, but no clearer idea of it could be given than by shortly saying that of all the men we know they are most conspicuous in considering what is agreeable honourable, and what is expedient just. Such a way of thinking does not promise much for the safety which you now unreasonably count upon. ... mtholyoke.edu -- Carl