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To: bela_ghoulashi who wrote (51)	10/16/2001 5:44:31 AM
From: bela_ghoulashi	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 115

"It is not true we hate Islam or Arabs. We hate haters." Message 16509027 To:IQBAL LATIF who wrote (5248) From: SirRealist Tuesday, Oct 16, 2001 2:20 AM View Replies (3) \| Respond to of 5468 Bottom line Ike: that columnist from the Guardian was right on this point: For a country involved in so much warfare and conflict, the American people have been extremely fortunate. The strikes on September 11 were only the second on American soil in over a century. The first was Pearl Harbour. The reprisal for this took a long route, but ended with Hiroshima and Nagasaki. This time the world waits with bated breath for the horrors to come. I believe we will meet horror with horror. And it's gotten to the point that I don't think anyone is asking "Why do they hate us?" anymore. The reasons have been spelled out repeatedly. And what we've learned is that under the scrutiny of truth, the reasons do not even meet the slightest definition of critical thinking.... we are hated for nothing logical at all, but simply because hate is a feeling they like to feel. Has our government erred? Yup. Bin Laden has mentioned slavery here before. We are hated for something that we ended 136 years ago! Hiroshima has been mentioned. That was 56 years ago, so the adults of that time are folks who are now 74 or older! WE are hated for something most of us had no part in! The same holds true for 1947's Israel re-installation.... those adults are 72 or older. At what point do we get judged for OUR OWN actions, not the actions of very old or dead men? We were wrong to aid the Shah? Okay, Iran got to install its own leaders, the Ayatollahs. How many of them now think that was better, relatively speaking? Yes, we erred; they did too. Error can happen, even when motives are sound. Israel? A good ally to have; it's a two way street there. And what would they gain by passivity? As you said, extremist Muslims respect strong men, not weak ones. True, except for the strong man Jew. They show Israel & the Jewish folk no respect, but they sure as heck are less likely to frontally attack Israel because they respect the idea that Israel can kick their butts and have repeatedly done so. With that example, should we learn to vacillate or have we learned the only way to deal with extremists is by superior force and the will to use it? No, when we view the few wrongs against the greater goods we have done, that we have aided Muslims when their cause is just, and so on, the bottom line is they are gonna hate us anyway. So here is something they should know: it is not true we hate Islam or Arabs. We hate haters. We hate murderers. If they think they know how to hate, I say we also know. And we will turn our hate into a force beyond the words of a message board and beyond the marchers who make brave noises miles from the action and beyond their silly notions of who we are. Dragging a dead soldier through Mogadishu? Hah! This inspired no fear... we left because we realized that sorry piece of ground was not worth one cent, never mind one life. Why bother fighting over a sewer of rats when we went there hoping to offer peace? But fighting against murderers is what we call a "Good War". It is worth many losses to rid the world of people who hate enough to kill innocents PURPOSELY. Even our bombs are not aimed at innocents as their jet-bombs were. And when we get done, we will rebuild Kabul and NYC both. What would Bin Laden build but more schools to teach murder? Now we have a baby in the US with anthrax. BIG HERO this Bin Laden ... he promotes this like an airhead cheerleader. Will he be brought to justice in our courts? Not a chance! I wish he would because the best fate for him is to be bunking in a US prison with a 300-lb Bubba who will call him O-Mama.... Are there a million extremists? 2 million? 10 million? We will take them all and make many vultures happy with their bones. I know, I know, my words are harsh and angry. Any who know me in real life are surprised to hear me utter such acidic vituperation. But my point is this: it is past the time that Americans wonder why we are hated. It is the extremists and their covert supporters, and the silent numbers even greater who condemn us but not the terrorists, behind our backs, that should be asking questions now. They should ask: what happens now that we have taught a powerful nation to hate us? And: where can we hide? And: do you really think they might nuke us? And: can it be that God is going to abandon our unjust cause and let the vultures eat our eyeballs? And when they ask these things, I can answer only this: we will do whatever it takes to eliminate murderers who would deliberately attack a baby, or a newspaper clerk or anyone anywhere who is guilty of nothing but being alive and living in a civil land. We love peace and freedom as much as any nation that ever existed but we understand sometimes it is necessary to kill sick, twisted haters who hide daggers in both hands and call this the Quran, or call it the Iron Cross of Nazis, or call it anything just, good, noble or holy. We achieved the power we have by promoting freedom and opportunity and loving our neighbors. But we also achieved it by protecting it with the deadliest forces that have never lost when the will of our people is behind our soldiers. And, precisely because the killers and their supporters, known or silent, have insisted on hating us so much, our people have put away the peace signs and picked up more will than we have seen in 56 years. You love peace Ike and so do I. I hope that Musharraf can outfox his haters and control them so folks like you can have a country that stands tall among nations. I worry when I read that the polls show anti-US, pro-Taliban sentiment shot up 40% to 80% overall when we decided to fight back. That is no small number of people to defend oneself against. I wonder sometimes: can they not conceive of the powers we possess? Do they not understand that if that sentiment compels them to go to Afghanistan to take up an unholy war against us that life can be infinitely worse? The one time we used nukes, it was because of a nation whose fanaticism viewed Hirohito as a God and our leaders felt only a convincing show of the ultimate horror could change minds, save more lives than it cost, and end the war. Do extremists or these American haters realize that this new fanaticism seems exactly the same? I am sad to think it may come to this. It is the saddest sad I have known. But I know the will and the weaponry exists. And if the Bin Ladens of the world do not sense it, or do not care, it can happen. Even the mountains of Afghanistan can not save them then. Because we hate murderers even more than they hate us. And what do they accomplish when they are dissolved like smoke? Will they prove that we can kill better? Yes. But who will they prove it to? Everyone who hates us should ask: what will be the outcome of my hate? And: is there another way that we can live and know peace, prosperity and the love of God?