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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Neocon who wrote (33293)	10/16/2001 3:45:41 PM
From: bonnuss_in_austin	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

I still misunderstand your theory here, Neocon. Now. you say -- although Saudis continue, beyond the 'physical' need to produce sons, workers, etc., -- that the 'tradition' remains ... and is 'viable.' Polygamy, that is. But, 'in the end,' monogamy is preferable. To the Saudis? I think you express yourself rather obscurely, if I may say so. It's okay for the Saudis, but not for the United States and other 'civilized' countries. It's 'okay for them, but not for us.' Is this your point? tia, bia

To: Neocon who wrote (33293)	10/16/2001 4:36:00 PM
From: one_less	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

It does little good to look at Arabs or Muslims in the Historical sense to explain our current delima. A couple of years ago I pointed out how I had noticed a tremendous change a brewin' and encouraged posters to look at how our involvement in the Middle East was effecting the attitudes of Nations on the Eastern hemisphere. I had talked to a young Turk (20 something) who reviewed his personal history for me in 1997. He remembered being a young boy and how only a few rather odd old men would go to Mosques on a regular basis. By the time he was an adult the Mosques were packed with youthful and exhuberant worshippers. I checked people of other nationalities and heard similar reports. 10 years ago most middle eastern and third world countries were fairly embroiled in local issues, disputes with other Islamic countries, and making efforts to catch up to western styles and technology. The USA typically was seen as a fair and powerful arbitrator in world affairs. Among my Islamic Colleagues here in the USA, I would frequently hear comments that we had to have a mainstream American on committees to avoid the temptation for nationalistic politics or ethnicity interfere with good decision making. During the last 8-10 years I have seen that attitude deteriorate and a rise in distrust of the Ideals of American Justice. Currently everyone is on the edge of their seats. We have something like 7 million American Muslims who are quite modern and most of the rest of the 1 billion who are like minded. There is a definite split, however, of people stepping to one side of the line in the sand or the other.