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To: Libbyt who wrote (9208)10/17/2001 10:33:46 AM
From: Bill Harmond  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57684
 
biz.yahoo.com



To: Libbyt who wrote (9208)10/17/2001 11:04:21 AM
From: Tom Kearney  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57684
 
Libby - Thanks for the links - esp the 2nd one. The numbers are too big to comprehend. But, when you bring it down to an individual level it becomes more real.

Donald Rumsfeld did an interview w/ Al Jazeera the other day. I've seen one (1) brief clip of it shown here, and I pretty much have the news on all the time here. I would really like to know what our guys are saying to the Mid-East, but our news coverage doesn't show it.



To: Libbyt who wrote (9208)10/17/2001 12:10:21 PM
From: Wizard  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57684
 
Hi Libby. I agree with you completely. Did you see this article from the NY Times last week, I think it pretty much sums this thing up. I have tried hard to understand the plight of Islam but it is just loaded with contradictions, fallacies and no solutions...

Bush to bin Laden

October 12, 2001

By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN



The White House has asked U.S. networks to limit broadcasts
of statements by Osama bin Laden. I wish that instead of
censorship, the president would respond to him. Here's what
Mr. Bush could say:

Dear bin Laden: I've listened to the statement you released
through Al Jazeera TV. Since I know that no Arab or Muslim
leader will dare answer you, I thought I would do it. Let
me be blunt: Your statement was pathetic. It's obvious from
what you said that you don't have a clue why we're so
strong or why the Arab regimes you despise are so weak.

You spoke about the suicide attacks on us as being just
revenge for the "80 years of humiliation and disgrace" the
Islamic nation has gone through. You referred to the
hijackers as a Muslim vanguard sent "to destroy America,"
the leader of the "international infidels," and you
denounced the Arab regimes as "hypocrites" and "hereditary
rulers."

What was most revealing, though, was what you didn't say:
You offered no vision of the future. This was probably your
last will and testament - I sure hope so - and you could
have said anything you wanted to future generations. After
all, it was your mike. Yet you had nothing to say. Your
only message to the Muslim world was whom to hate, not what
to build - let alone how.

In part it's because you really don't know much about
Islamic history. The Muslim world reached the zenith of its
influence in the Middle Ages - when it preserved the best
of classical Greek and Roman teachings, and inspired
breakthroughs in mathematics, science, medicine and
philosophy. That is also when Islam was at its most open to
the world, when it enriched, and was enriched by, the
Christian, Greek and Jewish communities in its midst - whom
you now disparage as infidels - and when it was actively
trading with all corners of the world. Your closed, inward,
hate-filled version of Islam - which treats women as cattle
and all non-Muslims as enemies - corresponds with no period
of greatness for Islam, and will bring none.

It was also revealing that the only Arab state you
mentioned was Iraq. Interesting - Iraq is led by a fascist
dictator, Saddam Hussein, who used poison gas against his
own people, who squandered Iraq's oil wealth to build
himself palaces and who raped Kuwait. But you are silent
about all that. What bothers you is our targeted sanctions
to end such a regime - not the regime itself.

In other words, you not only don't understand the Muslim
past, you don't understand its present. The reason these
past 80 years have been so stagnant for the Arab-Muslim
world is not because we in America have been trying to keep
you down. Actually, we haven't been thinking about you much
at all. No, the difference between American power, Chinese
power, Latin American power and Arab-Muslim power today is
what we've each been doing for these past 80 years. We and
others have been trying to answer many questions: How do we
best educate our kids? How do we increase our trade? How do
we build an industrial base? How do we increase political
participation? And we judged our leaders on how well they
answered all those questions.

But people like you want Arabs and Muslims to ask only one
question of their leaders: How well did you fight the
infidels and Israelis? I know that who rules Jerusalem is a
deeply important part of your heritage, and every
Arab-Muslim leader must address it. But it can't be the
only question. Yet, because people like you have reduced it
to the only question, and tried to intimidate every Arab
who wanted to ask other questions, you have allowed your
region to be led by scoundrels, like Saddam.

Yes, you've wreaked some havoc, bin Laden, but don't
flatter yourself into thinking you can destroy us. You have
to build something strong to destroy something strong. But
you can't. Because all the intellectual and creative
energies in the Arab-Muslim world - which are as bountiful
as in any other region - can never reach their full
potential under repressive regimes like Iraq or leaders
like yourself.

Stalin and Mao killed a lot of their own people, but even
these thugs had a plan for their societies. You, bin Laden,
are nothing but a hijacker - a hijacker of Islam, a
hijacker of other people's technology, a hijacker of a vast
Arab nation's anger at its own regimes. But you have no
vision and no plan for your people. Which is why your
epitaph will be easy to write:

Osama bin Laden - he destroyed much, he built nothing. His
lasting impact was like a footprint in the desert.  



To: Libbyt who wrote (9208)10/17/2001 1:27:01 PM
From: techanalyst1  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 57684
 
He can have what he has to say be heard if and when he's tried for murder... the same right that every one accused of a crime in our country has... even scum and low lifes who slaughter innocent people.

TA