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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Bald Eagle who wrote (33599)	10/17/2001 9:04:45 AM
From: thames_sider	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

The main question I'm asked by friends in England is if the USA has the balls to go ahead with a ground troop invasion and the casualties that will follow. Well, also from England <g> I'd think so. It's a far less ambiguous cause, and there's far more outrage and passion this time. Plus it's not seen as so 'self-serving' in the way that the Gulf War was (i.e., protecting oil supplies, never mind the Kuwaitis themselves... how many really believed that Hussein wouldn't be there now if Kuwait had no oil). And the actions in the Balkans IMO have got people more used to the idea that the West maybe can and should send troops in to enforce peace, and produce/support a government more in tune with its people and less protective (and productive) of extremists... "Rule Britannia", which is like a second national anthem in Great Britain Not so much now, there's probably fewer who know the words than when you were young... (or even the tune outside those two lines) and it is being seen as on the jingoistic side of patriotic. Also, you'd rarely find a Celt who'd sing it <w> The popular choice now as a (specifically English) anthem would probably be Jerusalem... wonderful tune, too. guardian.co.uk It'd get my vote. And voice.

To: Bald Eagle who wrote (33599)	10/17/2001 12:44:10 PM
From: TimF	Respond to of 82486

RE:I suppose it matters what you issue you are yielding and what the consequences of not yielding are. Churchill's mantra was "We will never surrender". It was death before surrender, better to die free than live as a slave! Oh I agree that the issue was important in WWII. My point is rather that when you apply the statement to other situations (and the statement says nothing specifically about the Germans or the war) that you have to consider to importance of the issue and the consequences of not yielding. If for example I get a ticket that I don't feel I deserve I might not go to court and if I do and lose I will not refuse to pay. Tim