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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Lane3 who wrote (33637)10/17/2001 11:27:45 AM
From: Poet  Respond to of 82486
 
I don't think we should equate negative speech with irresponsible
speech with treason.


I agree with you here, Karen. I am personally exercising restraint WRT my public comments about Bush and the way the strikes are being gone about, but this is a voluntary thing. Cries of "traitor" for dissenting opinions about our government right now are not only over the top, but I believe they are far more negative in outcome than the speech which they are criticizing.

The reason? They put the focus of anger and righteous indignation on our fellow Americans rather than on the terrorists. They fracture this country further and drain our energy.



To: Lane3 who wrote (33637)10/17/2001 11:51:15 AM
From: The Philosopher  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
but it isn't someone you were accusing of
treason.


Uh, Karen, you didn't do your usual excellent job of reading. Let me hasten to get the record straight.

I didn't accuse anybody of treason. Quite the contrary. Somebody else accused her of treason, and I said no, what she said wasn't treason. Very wrongheaded, IMO, but not treason.

I do, though, get mighty tired of all this boo-hoo-hooing about how the US has broughtall this on itself. We are the freest country in the world. People from all over the world are clamoring to come here and enjoy our freedoms. People risk death to escape to this country. I don't pretend that we're perfect, but I don't see people sneaking across borders, paying thousands of dollars to smuggles, launching tiny boats in dangerous seas, hiding in trucks, in cargo crates, etc. to get into Afghanistan, or Pakistan, or the Sudan, etc.

I'm not blind to our faults, but I can tell the difference between logs and motes.

I don't think we should equate negative speech with
irresponsible speech with treason.


I agree. That was precisely the point I was trying to make last night. And here you put it succinctly in one brief sentence. Shows what a good night's sleep will do for one!!