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Politics : America Under Siege: The End of Innocence -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (7682)	10/17/2001 4:58:37 PM
From: ThirdEye	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 27666

You know as well as I do that there are gradations of practice of any religion. There are extreme orthodox Jews who claim a standard of "Jewishness" and anyone who does not rise to that standard in their eyes is not Jewish. For you to say any Jew who does not study(and what the heck does that mean anyway)Torah is not Jewish is ignorance of the facts. By fundamantalist christians I meant those who claim "Born again" status. Do they claim all others are not really Christians? If so, they are simply othodox of another stripe. Now if you want to claim that the Jewish orthodoxy speaks for all Jews just to prove your point that Israel is not a Jewish state, then we have no where else to go.

To: Elmer Flugum who wrote (7682)	10/17/2001 6:02:55 PM
From: Michael Watkins	Respond to of 27666

I sure wish some (Jewish) people from Israel and elsewhere would chime in to give their thoughts on this question. I am not that familiar with their 'culture' although I recall reading some Jewish fiction as well as non fiction as a young adult that left me with a very strong sense of a culture or ethnicity... much different than "born again Christian" or "Lutheran". More like Amish. Their faith and culture are much more intertwined, it seems, than most Christian cultures (especially in North America), but yet I do think their faith and culture do operate on different planes and can exist apart. A simple example, I know non-practicing Jews that do not eat bacon. Taboos are part of culture, are they not? Yes, I find myself agreeing with you. Funny thing is, I don't think it changes the debate. Arab and Jewish cultures at battle is just as bad as Moslem vs Jew.