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To: KLP who wrote (193750)	10/19/2001 12:37:45 PM
From: Skywatcher	Respond to of 769667

Saying that anti war people want to abondon Israel is just baloney. What needs to happen is for them to wake up and stop settling and putting zealots right next to the Palestinians. To continue giving work to the Palestinians, water, and to stop destroying olive groves that are from biblical times. I was again disappointed to see the Israeli assassination of one leader refered to in the usual terms of army etc, whereas when Zeevi was killed, it was Arab Terrorists....they must realize it's the same on both sides and it must stop. Or maybe we should just move them to Ireland... Israel isn't going anywhere, but it shouldn't be getting it's hooks via settlers into more and more territory. CC

To: KLP who wrote (193750)	10/19/2001 12:38:41 PM
From: Rollcast...	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

Campus protesters ignite U.S. flags Friday, October 19, 2001 By PATRICK JOHNSON AMHERST — Amherst College students were stunned moments after a pro-America rally involving more than 100 people ended yesterday when several protesters emerged from the crowd to set fire to a U.S. flag. As the sounds of "God Bless America" continued through the public address system in front of the Keefe Campus Center, as many as 10 demonstrators doused two flags with lighter fluid and set them on fire. Five members of the group then spread a larger flag on the ground and stood on it while chanting "This flag doesn't represent me; this flag doesn't represent us." The crowd of more than 100 people, mostly Amherst College students who moments before rallied around the flag, stood in stunned silence as the same flag was desecrated. "This is really upsetting to me," said Christopher Palacios, a sophomore from Miami. Palacios, who said his parents fled Cuba in the 1960s to escape Fidel Castro, said, "It makes me sick when American kids say the American flag scares them." The pro-America rally yesterday was organized by a new student group called Amherst Assembly for Patriotism. The group formed in response to peace rallies at each of the Five Colleges in recent weeks as well as the controversial decision by the town of Amherst to limit flag displays downtown. "Amherst is 25 square miles surrounded by reality," said Theodore Hertzberg, a sophomore from Long Island. "I'm relieved the rest of the country does not feel the same way." The crowd had just finished a group recitation of the Pledge of Allegiance and was beginning to disperse when as many as 10 protesters came forward. Most of those protesting the flag declined to be interviewed. One who did, 19-year-old Dan Griffin of Minneapolis, Minn., said the protest sought to show that the United States is responsible for much of the pain and suffering in the world. The United States has helped continue a spree of genocide that dates back to Columbus in 1492, he said. "How people take it is how they take it," he said. Griffin identified himself as a student but declined to say at which college. He said the others are from different area colleges but would not say which. Hampshire College officials confirmed a student named Dan Griffin is registered. The University of Massachusetts records show a Daniel Griffin was enrolled but he withdrew at the start of the semester. Michael Flood, co-founder of the Amherst Assembly for Patriotism, said he found the actions of the protesters to be inappropriate, especially since he suspects none of them are from Amherst College. "I believe they have a right to burn the flag, but this is inappropriate," he said. Sophomore Nick Echelbarger from Seattle said the burning was free speech of the lowest form. "It doesn't make a point. It's just poor taste," he said. © 2001 UNION-NEWS. Used with permission.

To: KLP who wrote (193750)	10/19/2001 1:41:18 PM
From: TigerPaw	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 769667

If you could live in any other country during this period of history, which would it be? I think a more interesting question would be "If you could live in this country in any other period of history, when would it be?". I figure you for a pre-Civil War kind of guy, or maybe the 1880s range wars afficianado. TP

To: KLP who wrote (193750)	10/19/2001 2:27:46 PM
From: VFD	Respond to of 769667

Great questions. My favorite: How do you sleep, you hypocritical bastards?

To: KLP who wrote (193750)	10/22/2001 8:46:47 AM
From: thames_sider	Respond to of 769667

If the U.S. shifts policy on the Middle East in the wake of attacks on our nation, aren't we signaling to others that the best way to get our attention is to kill our civilians? No... so, is it the only way to get US notice? What else has made the US ever change its mind? Have you protested [OBL's] failure to build up the infrastructure of his own country, instead of doing what he has done No. Why 'protest' against a madman? If you condemn the U.S. for responding to violence with violence, do you also condemn the original violence carried out by members of Al Qaeda? I don't condemn the US at all, thus far. Read what I wrote. And I'd shed no tears if every member and abettor of al-Quaida were quietly shot by our special forces, maybe after 'falling down a mountain face' a few times. How many protests have you attended against Al Qaeda? Against world terror networks? Against various U.S. policies? None, none and none. BTW, 'Protests against world terror networks' are not going to work against them - they're not democratic and not moved by popular opinion, they thrive on public loathing. So why raise straw men? Have you commended the government for waiting, or do you still protest the government's actions? I've openly stated my approval here, more than once for the US govt's actions. Measured, careful, and discriminatory. Why would an observer be incorrect to believe that you will protest the U.S. government no matter what it does? Because they plainly haven't read a word I've written. It's a pointless question designed only to express the questioner's bias, and possibly anger the one he's questioning. Have you stopped beating your wife? Yes or no? ... and so on. They're rather dull questions. Just a couple... If you could live in any [other] country during this period of history, which would it be? In what specific ways is that country superior to the United States? Maybe NZ; it's cleaner and greener. I'd like to move to the US... but being white, male and British, it's nearly impossible. NZ still values my skills, education & potential contribution. Can you name any country other than the U.S. that permits the level of dissent that you yourself engage in? UK, Sweden, Denmark, Germany, Norway, Ireland... Have you ever publicly or privately expressed gratitude for this unique quality of American life? Unique? Nope. Sorry. ... And here's my response to the fool who asks these questions. Just one more question: How do you sleep, you hypocritical bastards? I'm no hypocrite. I sleep well. How about you, jumping at shadows, seeing death and hatred in every other face; you paranoid warmonger, cheering for the death of every 'other', screaming for the massacre of children, branding every dissenting opinion as a traitor or a liar... can you sleep? I hope not - or that your nights are filled with nightmares as you live out the horrors you'd see enacted on others... Understand? I upbraided you for criticising the sensible actions of your own government that far, and for your wailing that 'the American people demand MORE' without thinking what you were asking...