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To: Fred Levine who wrote (54335)	10/19/2001 6:05:45 PM
From: michael97123	Respond to of 70976

Fred, Oh are you going to get blasted. But i have been fleeing too much over the past month(from the subway today) NOT to agree with you. If I found the anthrax senders I would gladly kill him with my bare hands regardless of their origin and I would feel no remorse. My fervent wish is that we do not become the enemy, but I am willing to gamble with that possibility in order to take them out. Being a dead Jewish liberal is no fun--there would be nothing to complain about any more. In the post war world we can try to return to the old days--9/10/01. mike

To: Fred Levine who wrote (54335)	10/19/2001 11:56:43 PM
From: Jerome	Read Replies (3) \| Respond to of 70976

Fred...Are the Arab Muslims living within Israel better off than the Arab Muslims living in Palestine? I have no ideas about the matter because I have not been there and little has been written about the matter. Right now I feel that Israel is playing a poor hand poorly.They are demanding that Arafat turn over to them the persons responsible for the killing of one of their ministers. From a political standpoint if Arafat were to return the suspected killers to Israel, he would be viewed as nothing more than a stooge for Israel. Then the question would be...who gets to kill Arafat first...the Palestineans or the Israelis. In this country if a suspected killer flees to Canada or Mexico then we begin extradition proceedings, but no such proceedure exists between Israel and Palestine. One real difficulty that I see is that Israel views Arafat as being the head of the Palestinean state. But Arafat is not in charge of security for his own borders or of his interior. Its almost like having Canadien and Mexican tanks patrolling the DC area and then bitching about Bush not co-operating with the foreign invaders. Some Israeli politicians are visiting with Bush in a few days in the hope that he declares Arafat a terrorist. Lots of luck. The Bush policy will be to squeeze two ways. One squeeze the Israeli's into a more co-operative stance with Arafat, and secondly to squeeze Arafat into making a better effort to control those extremists within his jurisdiction. My observation is that American Muslims want no part of the radicalism of the Muslims in the ME. Could this be the difference between poverty (in the ME) and prosperity (in the US)? Could it be that prosperity retards the developement of Radical Muslims? Regards, Jerome

To: Fred Levine who wrote (54335)	10/20/2001 11:08:42 AM
From: Kirk ©	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 70976

OT: we must recognize that the fundamental motivation behind this current terrorism is neither economic or political --- it is religious extremism and therefore much more dangerous Oh I agree. This guy have found some interesting documents that shows it is all about hatred of the Jews. suite101.com Simply amazing how much hatred there is in "the name of religion".... It is no wonder that BOTH China and Russia tried to ELIMINATE religion to bring stability to their lands. I have NO IDEA how to promote World peace when religions actively promote hatred of other religions. A starting point is for the religous leaders to come out strong against the hatred. Of course, they don't and Rudy bravely hands back the blood stained $10M to the Saudi Prince.

To: Fred Levine who wrote (54335)	10/22/2001 1:29:08 PM
From: mitch-c	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 70976

OT - Whooo. Just read your note. In particular, I disagree with your conclusion: They arrested the leader's mothers and threatened to kill and torture them unless the terrorists cooperated. It worked. I don't want to know whether we do this, but, to me, our first responsibility is to protect our innocent and we can defend civil rights later. The success of our society depends in large part on our ability to do BOTH, simultaneously. Franklin had it right - "Those who compromise liberty for temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." Have courage and vigilance. Small personal anecdote: last week, a car was cruising our parking lot in a strange manner late one night. Where normally I would have ignored it, I instead challenged it. The answer I got - "just hiding from someone" - didn't inspire confidence, and we're near a TV station and some Texas Department of Health buildings. So I called the plates in to the non-emergency cop number and asked a cruiser to come check it out. I also stayed until the last employee was ready to leave and got to her car safely. Big things? No. But those kind of extra little actions from a lot of people add up to our best defense against terror - and crime. None of what I did violated any civil rights, but I think it sent a message. Prepare for the worst that can happen, but don't paralyze yourself by imagining it every second. Having a plan will actually help calm you. And DON'T let that fear drive you to doing or accepting things you'd regret in a few years. - Mitch