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To: Joseph Waligore who wrote (130375)10/20/2001 5:29:37 AM
From: IngotWeTrust  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 436258
 
I read your exchange with Haim, and must say, I was NOT comforted by reading what you read in the NYT's URL this morning offered up by poster Haim. I have a TOTALLY different slant on what I read in that article and wish to share it here. I state why I am not comforted at the bottom of this post.

May I respectfully suggest that those 'experts' quoted by NYT were selected from those viewing from OUTSIDE Wahhabism via their various perches in N.America academia in particular, regarding Wahabi influence in the USA. That is what I got out of the "make us feel better about Muslims" article in the NYT.

May I further suggest that the 80% number to which you refer is properly attributed to a Muslim INSIDER, namely
Lebanese Sufi Hisham Al-Kabbani. As such, Sufi's 80% assessment has more weight with me due to his "insider Muslim" status. That is NOT comforting to me.

Here is Sufi's quote found elsewhere on SI and the Schwartz article URL below it in bold:

OPEN QUOTE:
"The same influences [referring to items mentioned in prior paragraphs in this article] are brought to bear throughout the ten-million-strong Muslim community in America, as well as those in Europe. In the US, 80 per cent of mosques are estimated by the Sufi Hisham al-Kabbani, born in Lebanon and now living in the US, to be under the control of Wahhabi imams, who preach extremism, and this leads to the other point of vulnerability: Wahhabism is subsidised by Saudi Arabia, even though bin Laden has sworn to destroy the Saudi royal family. The Saudis have played a double game for years, more or less as Stalin did with the West during the second world war. They pretended to be allies in a common struggle against Saddam Hussein while they spread Wahhabi ideology everywhere Muslims are to be found, just as Stalin promoted an ‘antifascist’ coalition with the US while carrying out espionage and subversion on American territory. The motive was the same: the belief that the West was or is decadent and doomed.
CLOSE QUOTE

Message 16398525

Thank you for allowing me to bring this quote directly from the source into this discussion, and remove it from the realm of your "I had heard other people say..." I always try to find who the "other people" are, so that I can evaluate said references for myself and in context.

I offer the entire paragraph quoted above and the URL heretofore in the spirit of proper attribution.

A final thought, if I may be permitted:
Part of the reason I take NO COMFORT in the NYT quote "outsider" experts in only 25% Wahhabi extremists in our midst number is this:
As best we understand 9/11 events now, it took approximately 2 DOZEN Wahhabis to commit the NYC/WA/PA bombing attrocities.

The thought that there are "only--that is according to the NYT URL" 25% of 6-10 million Muslims in this nation who can correctly be attributed to be Wahhabism believers and practitioners is about 1,50,000 to 2,500,000 TOO MANY of those fanatics living here, breathing our air, drinking our water, eating our food, and proselytizing.
Only need 2 dozen of those 1.5 to 2.5 million right here on our own soil to level more buildings, poison more letters, , and kill more infidel Americans.

I'm sorry, but those are NOT comforting odds...not to this "infidel" and sworn enemy of the Wahhabi believers in MY country.

Thank you for your time.

g_t