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To: FaultLine who wrote (6420)10/20/2001 7:59:24 AM
From: stockman_scott  Respond to of 281500
 
Bush Urges Asian Nations on Terror War

By GEORGE GEDDA, Associated Press Writer

Saturday October 20 7:25 AM ET

SHANGHAI, China (AP) - As he mourned the deaths of two American soldiers in Pakistan, President Bush (news - web sites) told business executives Saturday the attack on the World Trade Center was an assault on a free enterprise system that has fueled prosperity throughout the Pacific rim.

``The terrorists tried to shatter confidence in the world economic system, but they failed,'' Bush said. ``The terrorists hoped world markets would collapse. But the markets have proved their resilience and fundamental strength.''

Bush spoke hours after learning that two American soldiers had died in a helicopter crash while supporting the first U.S. commando raid into Afghanistan (news - web sites).

``There will be moments of sacrifice,'' Bush said, alluding to his anti-terrorist campaign. ``We see two such examples today.

``The thing that's important for me to tell the American people is that these soldiers will not have died in vain. This is a just cause.''

Bush said he is satisfied with the progress in the two-week old military campaign. ``We are dismantling Taliban defenses, Taliban military,'' he said, referring to the radical Islamic movement that controls Afghanistan.

``We are destroying terrorist hideaways. We are slowly but surely encircling the terrorists so that we can bring them to justice.''

He spoke during a photo session with Japanese Prime Minister Junichiro Koizumi, who gave Bush a bow and arrow designed for use from a galloping horse. When fired, the arrow produces a sharp sound that signals the start of battle.

Afterward, Bush attended the opening session of annual Asia-Pacific Economic Conference (APEC (news - web sites)) forum, a gathering of 19 nations plus Hong Kong. A 21st member, Taiwan, boycotted because it could not agree with China on an appropriate delegation head. A goal of the two-day summit is to find ways to boost the sputtering world economy.

Bush also has been using his visit to meet with his fellow heads of government to press for support for his campaign to hunt down Osama bin Laden (news - web sites) and his al-Qaida organization in Afghanistan.

Two predominantly Muslim APEC countries, Indonesia and Malaysia, have voiced objections to the U.S.-led aerial bombardment of Afghanistan that began Oct. 7. Bush's visit here coincided with the first special operations forces ground raid into southern Afghanistan.

In addition to Koizumi, Bush also exchanged views with the heads of government of Malaysia, Peru, Singapore and Brunei.

``He is concerned about the deaths of innocent people in Afghanistan and I assured him I am, too,'' Bush said of Malaysian Prime Minister Mahathir Mohamad.

Mahathir, in an interview with Malaysian journalists, said he told Bush that he could not support attacks on Afhganistan. ``I explained to him the anger and frustration of the Muslim world,'' Malaysia's state-run Bernama news agency quoted him as saying.

Bush used his speech to the businessmen to stress that the Sept. 11 attack was not aimed just at Americans but at the world economic system.

The market-based system embraced by APEC countries ``has brought more prosperity more quickly to more people than at any time in human history,'' he said. The vast Asia-Pacific region, Bush said, ``is demonstrating the power and appeal of markets and trade.''

As examples, he said China's per capita gross domestic product has grown by 513 percent since 1975 and that 73 percent of all South Korean households have computers.

Terrorists want to destroy this system, he said. ``Our enemies are murderers with global reach. They seek weapons on a global scale. Every nation must oppose this enemy, or be, in turn, its target.''

The summit is expected to approve a statement condemning the Sept. 11 terror attacks as ``murderous deeds'' and supporting the fight against terrorism. But the statement will stop short of endorsing the U.S.-led attacks on Afghanistan and will not refer specifically to bin Laden.

Still, Bush said he is very pleased with the collective contribution of nations around the world to the anti-terrorism effort.

``The coalition is broad and deep and strong and committed,'' he said.

Other Pacific Rim leaders said the mere act of gathering under one roof showed they won't be deterred by the global terrorism crisis.

``It sends an important message to those who would seek to undermine all that we collectively stand for, not only at a political level but also at a business level,'' Australian Prime Minister John Howard said in a speech to business leaders.



To: FaultLine who wrote (6420)10/20/2001 9:25:53 AM
From: jayhawk969  Respond to of 281500
 
Pentagon Battles State Department

I had personally reached a conclusion that the Afghanistan problem post "victory" is potentially the bigger problem. Assuming that there is some truth to the following this is truly a key issue.

tnr.com

THE BATTLE OVER HOW TO FIGHT THE WAR.
Slow to Anger
by Lawrence F. Kaplan

Post date 10.18.01 | Issue date 10.29.01

As well as bombs and food, American aircraft have been dropping leaflets over Afghanistan that say, "The partnership of Nations is here to assist the People of Afghanistan." It's unclear how many Afghans have been convinced their welfare is the primary aim of America's war. But the propaganda is certainly winning hearts and minds at the State Department, which has been busy plotting Afghanistan's political destiny. Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, who has been mapping out the "eventual shape" of Afghanistan, instructs that "the Afghan experience seems to show that when government is roughly a loose federation, it seems to work best, with a very high degree of local autonomy." Colin Powell has even mused that Taliban officials might play a useful role. Now there's nothing wrong with planning ahead. But, increasingly, that planning is interfering with--and impeding--America's war aims. Nowhere is this more evident than on the plain north of Kabul, which, until recently, the State Department's logic had transformed into a bed-and-breakfast for weary Taliban fighters. "We're trying to fight a war here," complains a senior Pentagon official, "and [State Department appointees] are talking about loya jirgas, why we shouldn't hit certain Taliban units, and what Pashtuns like to eat for breakfast."

Two weeks ago State Department officials didn't want the bombing to begin at all--arguing it should wait for the outlines of a future Afghan government to come into place. Then they insisted that the U.S. air campaign spare Taliban forces arrayed against the Northern Alliance, so the rebels couldn't advance on the capital. And now Colin Powell, Policy Planning director Richard Haass, and Haass's deputy, Clinton holdover Donald Steinberg--who, according to sources at the State Department, have elbowed aside the more conservative Assistant Secretary of State for South Asian Affairs, Christina Rocca--argue that the United States should effectively prolong the war until America can cobble together a coalition to rule Afghanistan. Far from sharing the military's aim of "eviscerating" the Taliban, their worst fear is that it will fall too quickly. The concern is that if the minority-dominated Northern Alliance takes Kabul, its members may revert to killing one another, and the Pashtun tribes of Southern Afghanistan might revolt, plunging the country back into chaos. "[The Northern Alliance] is incapable of running Afghanistan," says a State Department official, "and, frankly, we don't trust them to stay put if nothing stands between them and Kabul." UN secretary general Kofi Annan has emphasized the point in almost daily telephone conversations with Powell, who, in turn, has emphasized it to President Bush. A second, but less important, rationale for keeping the Northern Alliance out of Kabul derives from the need to keep a lid on Pakistan, whose dictator, Pervez Musharraf, insists a Northern Alliance victory would return Afghanistan to "anarchy, atrocities, and criminal killings." (In truth, Musharraf objects to the Northern Alliance because of its ties to India.) Both are legitimate concerns. The question is, are they so urgent that the war should be put on hold?

Oddly enough, the logic of defeating our adversaries by not defeating our adversaries briefly found a willing audience at the Pentagon as well. But it wasn't the State Department's logic. Senior officers involved in the war's planning supported temporarily exempting frontline Taliban positions not in the name of diplomacy or regional stability, but for purely operational reasons. The principal one being this: Pentagon officials believe the majority of Al Qaeda operatives have sought refuge in Pashtun-dominated southern Afghanistan. Were the mostly Uzbek and Tajik fighters of the Northern Alliance to take Kabul quickly, military planners fear the Pashtun would rally around the Taliban and Al Qaeda, making the task of hunting them down even more risky and daunting than it already is. They also claim that a chaotic Afghanistan would make it more, not less, difficult to locate the terrorists harbored in its midst. Finally, Pentagon officials hope that defections from northern Taliban positions will provide the United States much-needed intelligence--and dead Taliban won't be very helpful in this regard.





ut that's where the similarities between the Pentagon and State Department positions end. Far from opposing close collaboration with the Northern Alliance, American military commanders have already benefited from the opposition's tactical intelligence and have no objection to it taking Kabul--particularly as no other force can, and the United States certainly won't--once U.S. troops have assaulted Al Qaeda strongholds in the South. "We would like to see them heave the Al Qaeda and the Taliban leadership ... out of that country," says Donald Rumsfeld, who insists that "the Afghan people are going to have to sort out which among the opposition groups will have what role in a post-Taliban Afghanistan."

In fact, the Pentagon has been encouraging the Northern Alliance to move aggressively. For, according to senior defense officials, the true problem with the Northern Alliance isn't that it will take Kabul too quickly; it's that it might not be able to take it at all. "The idea that, once we bomb, they're going to drive unopposed into Kabul is ludicrous," seethes one Pentagon official. "They still have to get into the city, and that's going to take time." At the National Security Council, too, a review completed this week concluded that the United States should accelerate its efforts to oust the Taliban. The State Department, by contrast, didn't want the path to Kabul cleared until progress had been made toward the formation of a coalition government--a process that could take weeks, and which thus far has gone exactly nowhere.

There are, to be sure, wartime measures the United States can take to promote post-war stability. The insistence on not attacking bridges and electricity grids, the sluggish and exquisitely calibrated air campaign, the parade of American diplomats courting the former Afghan king--all testify to the imperative of keeping the country's infrastructure intact.

But exempting Taliban troops from bombardment took that imperative too far. Reporting from Afghanistan, Washington Post correspondent Peter Baker noted: "The Taliban has been so confident that the United States would not strike front-line positions that every night it moves troops there from the city to protect them." Those units, which, according to the latest estimates, have been reinforced by 7,000 troops, consist largely of Arab fighters recruited by bin Laden--and, as such, offer exactly the sort of target the air campaign was meant to destroy.

Doing that, however, hardly settles the question of Kabul, which is still the object of furious debate within the administration. That's because the clock is ticking on this war. In exactly one month winter arrives in Afghanistan and, with it, the impossibility of launching an offensive against Kabul from the North. One administration official suggests the Northern Alliance could seize the northern city of Mazar-e-sharif and advance on Kabul in the spring--and, in fact, U.S. air strikes have deliberately encouraged the opposition's advance toward Mazar-e-sharif. But letting the Taliban hang on to Kabul through the winter would amount to a huge, and entirely unnecessary, defeat for the United States. In exactly one month, too, Ramadan arrives, which could ignite a public explosion in the region if American operations continue. Already, televised images of civilian casualties and a steady stream of Taliban propaganda have stirred the pot next door in Pakistan. Hence the very same Pakistani officials who have been urging America to disown the Northern Alliance have also been insisting we conclude the war quickly. But they can't have it both ways, and neither can we.

President Bush has declared that the "mission is defined, [the] objectives are clear." Yet the debate over what follows the Taliban has obscured those objectives. Indeed the war increasingly seems to be about the very catchphrase that candidate Bush insisted had muddled our missions in Bosnia and Kosovo: nation-building. The merits of that practice notwithstanding, in the Balkans the building took place after the war, not during it. Alas, the certainty that the United States can eject the Taliban whenever it pleases has led the Bush team to reverse the order. The resulting elevation of Afghanistan's best interests over America's wartime imperatives isn't only hubris; it's disingenuous. For behind the State Department's moral posturing is a crude realism, brought to us by the same Metternichs who, in the name of "stability," insisted that we not upset the Iraqi order during the Gulf war--and who now apply the same argument to Afghanistan.

But this isn't the Gulf war. It's a war fought in self-defense. And the preoccupation with secondary and tertiary aims, coupled with the absence of a clear intent to destroy the instrument of aggression, plainly undercuts its effectiveness. If Foggy Bottom intends to rebuild Afghanistan, fine. But first things first. A stable Afghanistan, after all, isn't the point of this war. A stable America is. And, more than anything else, Americans need a victory.



LAWRENCE F. KAPLAN is a senior editor at TNR.



To: FaultLine who wrote (6420)10/20/2001 3:33:57 PM
From: Mac Con Ulaidh  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 281500
 
washingtonpost.com

The focus of talks on the future of Afghanistan has shifted from the possible deployment of a U.N. peacekeeping force to a U.S. proposal to send a limited, multinational force that would provide enough security to establish an interim government, U.N. sources said yesterday.

Now I am off to watch CNN. Pausing only briefly to wonder why people who don't like it, watch it. Perhaps there is a biological explanation for looking for more to be upset about than there already is without going looking for it?