To: briskit who wrote (34607 ) 10/20/2001 7:55:45 PM From: Mac Con Ulaidh Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486 But more seriously (not that I disagree with my last post) ~ Radical ~ 3 a : marked by a considerable departure from the usual or traditional : EXTREME b : tending or disposed to make extreme changes in existing views, habits, conditions, or institutions c : of, relating to, or constituting a political group associated with views, practices, and policies of extreme change d : advocating extreme measures to retain or restore a political state of affairs <the radical right> In previous decades, and centuries, there has been a considerable number of things to strive for (the vote, being a lawyer, playing sports, so on) that were a "considerable departure from the traditional. There is less to be "radical" about these days in terms of basics. There is tweaking to do. I would see the two things you mention as opinions, rather than something radical as they can't affect change. Being familiar with the area I live in now, though, I could see a woman growing up believing those things. It's what she sees practiced around her in large part. It is only just now changing. We're a little behind the times here in most things. I have talked with women who feel that way. All I can tell them is that what they have grown up around is not how it is everywhere, and it doesn't have to be that way for them. Course, that might mean migrating to get married. <g> The pickings of enlightened men are slim around here. That is simply an observation of an area, not an "opinion" about men at large. It's small, closed-off, and mostly fundamentalist around here. I would see a Radical Feminist in Afganistan as one who struggled for schools for women. To have work and hospitals agains. To have the wearing of that cloak-thingie to be a matter of the woman's choice. The list would be fairly long over there.