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To: Lola who wrote (8122)10/20/2001 11:14:29 PM
From: Captain Jack  Respond to of 27720
 
Part of a news article -- Chicago Tribune,, 10/20.................

One police officer said an elderly woman called the department to ask if it was
safe for her to eat a powdered doughnut.

Many residents are trying to take the anthrax scare in stride, saying they are
heeding calls for heightened vigilance while carrying on with their lives.

"Anthrax is a treatable condition. I feel bad that the media is scaring all of
these people," said Ruth Mayer, who along with Eve Mitchell and Eileen Monroe
was preparing a chicken casserole dinner Saturday morning in the kitchen of the
West Trenton United Presbyterian Church.

The church is three blocks from the post office where the stricken letter
carrier is based.

The anthrax news, the women said, was probably the biggest thing to happen in
the area since George Washington marched his troops through after crossing the
Delaware River.

Media trucks and cameras were so clogged Grand Avenue in front of the Ewing post
office Friday that it backed up traffic on Grand Avenue.



To: Lola who wrote (8122)10/21/2001 10:34:31 AM
From: kirby49  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27720
 
Good morning Lola:

Re:Ways and means of expelling Muslims.

Message 16534429

Now these items may seem unrelated but perhaps can be linked.

We need to expel these and other Muslims in the free world and the UN does need to do its job. Once we secure and disarm Kabul, we keep carpet bombing perimeter while building two miniature WTC buildings. Put UN in one and ask if they want carpet bombing kept up or should we let Taliban in close enough that grenade launcher will topple you. (We built them quick and cheap). Put all expelled into other while awaiting someone to accept them elsewhere. Once accepted will be given food and water and new boots and told to take a hike literally. Planes only bring em in. Side benefit less traffic snarls in NYC.

Re: Pak nukes

Unless Pakistan agrees to accept international help to secure its nuclear program "the US should begin to work immediately on contingency plans (that) include the ability to rapidly deploy forces to Pakistan to find and regain control of any lost nuclear materials and, only as a last option in a crisis, remove them from Pakistan to a secure location," says John Wolfsthal, a non-proliferation expert with the Carnegie Endowment.

Of course as a last resort he seems to have forgotten the option of rapidly withdrawing forces in Pakistan and nuking their nuke!

Bob



To: Lola who wrote (8122)10/21/2001 11:35:23 AM
From: Glenn Petersen  Read Replies (3) | Respond to of 27720
 
A staunch nationalist...

Old news, but a reminder to the thread that India is serious about stamping out terrorism. The reinstatement of Fernandes was not popular in Pakistan.

in.news.yahoo.com

Monday October 15, 4:40 PM

India's Fernandes no stranger to controversy

NEW DELHI, Oct 15 (AFP) -
George Fernandes, reinstated as India's defence minister Monday, seven months after he resigned over an arms bribery scandal, is popular among the military rank and file but his outspoken character has often caused ripples within the government.

The former trade union leader with a chequered political career had to quit office in March after an Internet news site broadcast video showing a top army general, officials of his ministry and leaders of his Samata Party accepting bribes from journalists posing as arms dealers.

A staunch nationalist, Fernandes, 70, has time and again raised the banner of stiff socialist opposition against multi-national companies trying to enter India.

In the 1970s, he shot to fame for briefly forcing Coca-Cola to withdraw its operations from the country.

Fernandes came to prominence in 1975 when he took on then prime minister Indira Gandhi for imposing a state of emergency.

He was once detained on charges, later dropped, of smuggling dynamite to blow up government establishments in protest against the state of emergency.

His first term as defence minister was in 1998 when India conducted its shock nuclear tests.

Following the tests, Fernandes caused a diplomatic rift with China, which he described as India's "enemy number one." He later denied the statement, saying it was wrongly interpreted.

A year later, he was thrust back in the limelight when India and Pakistan engaged in a bitter border conflict in Kashmir which was triggered when Pakistan-backed forces occupied key heights in the Kargil sector.

Fernandes took a degree of flak for his handling of the 10-week Kargil conflict, especially over the failure of defence intelligence agencies to detect the initial incursions.

As a minister, however, he was a morale booster for the armed forces, and was particularly popular among soldiers on the front.

He made 18 visits to the icy heights of the Siachen glacier, "the world's highest battlefield" where Indian and Pakistani troops guard their respective stretches of the glacier through the year.

His interaction with the forces at all levels from officers to the soldiers helped him gain the confidence of the troops, and he was also known for overseeing a huge increase in India's defence budget.

But controversy accompanied him. In 1999 when he held a convention of organisations supporting Sri Lanka's Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelamon the lawns of his official residence.

Fernandes openly supported the LTTE's struggle for a separate state in northern Sri Lanka.

The same year he had a highly public spat with then navy chief Admiral Vishnu Bhagwat, who he sacked for alleged insubordination.

Bhagwat responded by accusing Fernandes of riding roughshod over the wishes of his service chiefs and accused the minister of handing out dodgy contracts.

He is also a high-profile supporter of the Myanmar pro-democracy movement.

In his official bungalow, Fernandes has a huge portrait of Burmese pro-democracy leader Aung San Suu Kyi, and Myanmar students and underground leaders are frequent visitors.

Born in 1930, Fernandes was first elected to parliament in 1967 and founded the Samata party in 1994.

He is the only Christian minister in Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee's cabinet.

Throughout his career he has held several ministerial portfolios including communications, industry, railways and defence.



To: Lola who wrote (8122)10/21/2001 11:59:11 AM
From: Glenn Petersen  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 27720
 
Farrakhan condemns U.S. war

washtimes.com

"It was so horrific to me that for the first 48 hours I could not speak," he said.

If Farrakhan were smart, he would keep his mouth shut. Glenn

By Betsy Pisik
THE WASHINGTON TIMES

NEW YORK — Nation of Islam leader Louis Farrakhan yesterday condemned the U.S.-led bombing of Afghanistan, saying Washington had not proven its case against terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.

Speaking to a gathering of religious leaders, Mr. Farrakhan said the U.S. government hadn't revealed the evidence to the Taliban, sharing it only with allies.

"You show your friend [British Prime Minister Tony Blair] the evidence, but not the people you're about to bomb?" he said.

U.S. and British officials have said that revealing the details of the evidence would compromise allied war aims.

Mr. Farrakhan keynoted a conference organized by the Interreligious and International Federation for World Peace, a group organized by Rev. Sun Myung Moon, founder of the Unification Church. The conference included a hundred ministers from several religious denominations, and political figures, including former Vice President Dan Quayle, former Indonesian President Abudurrahman Wahid and the former presidents and prime ministers of Guyana, Guatemala, Barbados, Seychelles, Nepal and St. Kitts and Nevis.

Most of them applauded often during Mr. Farrakhan's 100-minute speech and gave him a standing ovation afterward. The theme of the conference was an examination of the roots of global violence and how to deal with it.

Mr. Quayle, who had left the gathering by the time Mr. Farrakhan spoke, had earlier angrily rejected suggestions that U.S. foreign policy in Iraq and the Middle East had provoked terrorist attacks.

"This is the time to be morally clear," Mr. Quayle said. "Nothing justifies terrorism."

Mr. Farrakhan, the leader of the nation's largest Muslim group, said the pursuit of bin Laden and his terrorist group was a campaign against Islam. He said he also condemns the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks against the United States, which killed 5,000 Americans.

"It was so horrific to me that for the first 48 hours I could not speak," he said.

Mr. Farrakhan said, without citing his evidence, that 1.5 million Iraqis had died under sanctions imposed by the United Nations after the 1991 Persian Gulf war "while we are crying over 5,000."

In his remarks, Rev. Moon, who spoke before Mr. Farrakhan's denunciation of U.S. war aims, called on world leaders to repudiate national self-interests and hatreds, and urged religious leaders to cooperate and seek reconciliation. "If religions demonstrate love for each other, cooperate with each other, and serve each other, putting the higher ideal of peace ahead of particular doctrines, rituals and cultural backgrounds, the world will change dramatically."

Mr. Quayle, who served as vice president under President George H.W. Bush, said that fear, unlike anthrax, is contagious. He urged the religious figures to preach messages of tolerance. Mr. Quayle also blamed Hollywood for giving foreigners a distorted picture of the United States.

"Have you ever seen a movie that made the military look good? That looked favorably upon religion? That showed the cohesiveness of the family? No — and why not?" he asked. "If you were a person who had never been to America, you'd see a different country than it actually is."

Mr. Wahid, a Muslim cleric who served as president of Indonesia from Oct. 1999 until July 2001, said he supported the American military attacks, which are unpopular with Indonesians, but warned against "hegemony".

"What the United States is doing is honorable, but it is important to remember the multilateral framework," Mr. Wahid said. In an interview, he said that Washington "needs to listen to other people, and they need to listen to the United States."

The former presidents and prime ministers of several Latin and Caribbean nations said that it was important to look at what they call the root causes of terrorism — poverty, poor education and an absence of hope.

"We all hoped that the end of the Cold War, peace would have had a chance to break out," said Lloyd E. Sandiford, former prime minister of Barbados. "But efforts to increase development, and relieve poverty and other social blights are again delayed."