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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?


To: Poet who wrote (34728)10/21/2001 2:23:15 PM
From: cosmicforce  Read Replies (1) | Respond to of 82486
 
I absolutely agree (relatively -wink!). I'm a fiscal and environmental 'conservative': you shouldn't spend money you don't have and you shouldn't damage natural resources that belong to the future generations (that's an analog to debt).

These views are logically consistent, even if they don't fit into traditional moulds. I believe that individual liberties are under attack (which makes me 'sound' conservative in terms of 'issues'). I also think that nuclear power will probably (and realistically speaking) have a place in the world's energy policies.

We want to do that VERY carefully, but it is well known that the cumulative radioactive load from coal is far greater than most people know, not even to mention the fact that it is a horrible greenhouse gas producer. Solar should be preferred but it will have to be load leveled using intermediate storage means (chemical ones, like hydrogen and methane) to make it so we have power on gray days.

What surprises me, though, that the people that believe that we have a right to own guns, believe we also have a right to impose a religious framework on public activities. How one reconciles these positions is beyond me because while I'm a 'gun-toting liberal' I recognize that I'm asking others to suffer a potential harm from my personal ownership of same. There is no such harm to society if I remain silent about religion. I don't feel that strongly about religion and I don't want to have to see God on my money and hear it day in and day out. And it isn't because I'm an atheist. It's because I know that other's ideas of God aren't mine.

I guess that is why I feel isolated sometimes in terms of the options offered to me on the political front.



To: Poet who wrote (34728)10/21/2001 2:43:16 PM
From: briskit  Read Replies (2) | Respond to of 82486
 
Well, that's very kind of you Poet, and you might well be going too far with your generosity in my case (in the good, old fashioned liberal tradition!). My wife has the heavy burden of having to look good for both of us. Maybe she does so much good trying to make up for me as well. She is very green, low maintenance monetarily, well....I married quite a bit over my head, above my station, and all that (as has every man that could, that I know). Now I have to try to live up to it. Not only all that, but she is determined to have the kids turn out well in spite of my influence. It's a big job, and she is doing it pretty darn well. It seems to me those labels get in the way quite a bit. The broad label is that conservatives are haters, as some here seem to say. They have no compassion, are control freak patriarchs. I just have to shrug. The academic and theoretical battles engaged in here seldom get a real live flesh and blood person to be doing better in a concrete way. That's what it boils down to, in my opinion, and where I'd rather spend more of my energy.



To: Poet who wrote (34728)10/22/2001 1:49:21 PM
From: TimF  Respond to of 82486
 
I sometimes wonder if these "liberal" v. "conservative" stickers with which we
paste ourselves aren't often obscuring issues more than elucidating them.


Sometimes they do obscure issues. Other times they might fit the issues well but obscure the fact that people on the "other side" can be good people who just have different opinions.

Tim