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Politics : Sharks in the Septic Tank -- Ignore unavailable to you. Want to Upgrade?

To: epicure who wrote (34788)	10/22/2001 10:55:19 AM
From: Lane3	Read Replies (2) \| Respond to of 82486

It is easier to torture a suspect than find more intelligent and creative ways of determining whether they are INNOCENT or not. I started this discussion, I guess, with my post about the difficulties of getting material witnesses to provide information that could reduce the risk of further acts of terrorism. I hoped to see some thoughtful discussion on the subject. That issue is a far cry from torturing people to get them to confess to any crimes of which they are suspect. I don't see anyone suggesting that. At least I don't think so. It seems to me that techniques appropriate to get someone to give up information that is essential to protect future loss of life is an entirely different matter from getting a confession for a one-time, done crime. If, for example, we have a serial child molester and murderer who strikes every Tuesday, it's Monday, and his brother knows were he is but refuses to say. Should we have more alternatives to get him to talk, or not? And does it make a difference if the perp and his brother are foreigners in our country committing acts of mass murder? And does it matter if we're talking about simple, home-grown murder or acts of war? Karen

To: epicure who wrote (34788)	10/22/2001 10:56:15 AM
From: Poet	Read Replies (1) \| Respond to of 82486

Perhaps the only difference between he civilized and the uncivilized is in choosing not to use brute force, to bear up against its seductiveness.

To: epicure who wrote (34788)	10/22/2001 11:32:44 AM
From: coug	Respond to of 82486

Yes X, <<Brute force has always been the path of least resistance followed by people with little creativity and too much aggression>> So true.. IMO, The mental controls and directs the physical.. And if there is not much "mental" the "physical" can run amuck.. But fortunately "they of less mental" can usually be outsmarted.. g.. Re: Torture.. Torture is Torture, Whether to get a confession from a past crime or info on a future crime.. So what if they grab the "wrong" set of balls.. and squeeze OUT the "wrong" info.. Hell any man would tell em anything.. And get led down the "wrong" path ... Wrong, wrong, wrong, .. Three "wrongs" don't make it "right", let alone "two" Let's throw in a "fourth", just FOUR grins.. "Wrong" headed thinking :) m